The big problem with non-Google mail services is Google itself that tends to flag mail coming from their domains as spam.
Moving away from US cloud services
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Re: Moving away from US cloud services
#292Looks unrealistic to me. Sure, for one guy with lots of energy and know how its possible. Try migrating academia, industry, entire government branches etc. That's not gonna be easy.
It isn't easy or realistic, yet. But these things always start with the guys and girls with energy and skills. They write blogposts, it gets picked up. Somebody starts making improvements, convinces their manager to do it. Slowly things start to improve, people start building tools, sharing knowledge. Some of these people also work in, or for academia, industry, government branches. Once enough people are ready to pa…
Define easily. If it was that easy to clone Microsoft Excel (up to the most miniscule detail) I'm sure someone would have done it by now and offered it for free or for half the price. It's not that easy. You can get most of the functionality done sure but not all of it - and not having all of it wrecks the flows of all of your finance/accountant teams who won't be able to migrate or will be forced to work in different ways. Getting everything to work would take years. When Google "cloned" Excel to its own product and didn't even bother trying to make it 100% compatible with Excel because it's too much work. That's just Excel, how the heck are you going to migrate everything else?
I think with enough budget and determination it can happen in around a decade I guess, but I don't see where the motivation or determination will come from - in a few years Trump will be gone and things will be more normal again.
Europe should have thought about this like 20 years ago , it seems a bit late to me.
The truth is the dependence isn't one directional , America needs Europe as well for ASML, for pharma and for all kinds of other things. I don't think there will be a complete decoupling.
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#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
"there's a real opportunity here for European companies to step up" and what would be business model? From tiny fraction of people that care about this - wast majority are also the same types, that are known to be unwilling to pay for any service ever even 1 cent.
I'm not sure that's true - mainly because of some potentially big European customers in government or national infrastructure. They care enough about security and reliability, that they'd very likely choose a European provider over a US one, especially if the existing political climate continues. Companies don't need anywhere near the profits of Google to cover continuous development and maintenance, so while a Europ…
https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/5g-elephant-in-the-room/
European national infrastructure providers don't care.
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#294I was thinking about it today, I could think of an equivalent for EC2, S3, Software defined networking, archival, load balancers etc. But, one thing I could not easily come up with a replacement for is IAM. What would be an equivalent to IAM that a smallish cloud provider could use without building it from scratch? A system that provides roles, policies and granular permissions that can be attached to specific resour…
The closest I've seen is (ironically) this opensouce project from AWS https://www.cedarpolicy.com/
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I got banned from dash.cloudflare.com because apparently opening a few new tabs quickly is enough…
That would be extremely stupid from their part as it checks with a browser merely restarting with or recalling the latest session.
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What's a good alternative to Proton? Still haven't migrated my business away from Google Workspace, and I was thinking Proton would be a good alternative, but apparently not if they don't even support IMAP/SMTP.
Fastmail[0] is what I use for my personal email. They support all the standards, but are also pushing things forward with standardising the JMAP protocol[1] which is much better suited to mobile clients than IMAP. They only have email and calendaring though, no equivalent of Drive/Docs/Sheets. [0] https://www.fastmail.com [1] https://jmap.io
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
he mentioned also Quad9 - Cloudflare DNS replacement. I didn't know about and will probably switch to it. My other picks: SEARCH: qwant (france) LLM: mistral (france), librechat.ai, openwebui VPN: mullvad (sweden), protonVPN (swiss) AUTH: OpenID (sadly seems like not many sevices implement it) CLOUD: Hetzner (germany), OVHCloud (france) MAPS: here wego, openstreetmap EMAIL: protonMail (swiss), fastmail (australia) DN…
For dns there is also dns0.eu, which I've been using without issues for a year (or more, since it popped up in the HN feed).
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I run Firefox on Linux and I rarely encounter Cloudflare captchas.
cloudflare seethes at firefox users that have strict tracking protections enabled. OTOH it's still much less violent than hCaptcha or google. Especially if you install their PoW pass extension.
Re: Moving away from US cloud services
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's a good alternative to Proton? Still haven't migrated my business away from Google Workspace, and I was thinking Proton would be a good alternative, but apparently not if they don't even support IMAP/SMTP.
I use Zoho for my personal email. They aren’t European but they aren’t American. Crucially though it’s easy enough to migrate to another provider of self just by updating my mx records.
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#300> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…
he mentioned also Quad9 - Cloudflare DNS replacement. I didn't know about and will probably switch to it. My other picks: SEARCH: qwant (france) LLM: mistral (france), librechat.ai, openwebui VPN: mullvad (sweden), protonVPN (swiss) AUTH: OpenID (sadly seems like not many sevices implement it) CLOUD: Hetzner (germany), OVHCloud (france) MAPS: here wego, openstreetmap EMAIL: protonMail (swiss), fastmail (australia) DN…