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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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It's the right choice: don't bow to government pressure, let the people pressure the government.

NO, it's the wrong choice. Most people do not understand this stuff enough to truly care about, and they just want their devices to work. This is an awful decision by Apple. There's really nothing consumers can do to pressure the British government.

Consumers being unable to pressure government, even if true, does not imply this is a bad decision.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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So instead of building a back door they're just completely removing the option to use E2E encryption altogether, thus making everything freely available to government by default? How is that not worse or at least equivalent to a back door?

Many departments use iphones. I wonder how it will affect government security or government employees will be exempt?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Feels like marvel was onto something with captain america and winter soldier.

Life is imitating too many dystopian books, movies, etc these days. I think we need to put an end to all creative works before the timeline becomes irrecoverably destroyed.

Banning art?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Note that this doesn’t satisfy the government’s original request, which was for worldwide backdoor access into E2E-encrypted cloud accounts. But I have a more pertinent question: how can you “pull” E2E encryption without data loss? What happens to those that had this enabled? Edit: Part of my concern is that you have to keep in mind Apple's defense against backdooring E2E is the (US) doctrine that work cannot be comp…

Apple is in a really tough position. I don't know if there's any way they could fulfil the original request without it effectively becoming a backdoor. Disabling E2E for the UK market is just kicking the can down the road.

Even simply developing a tool to coerce users out of E2E without their explicit consent to comply with local laws could be abused in the future to obtain E2E messages with a warrant on different countries.

A very difficult position to be in.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Honestly I'm surprised that rather than trying to build stupid backdoors and such, tyrannical governments don't just try to make a encryption key database. They hold ALL the keys and can get into anything they want, anytime they want. If you get caught with keys or encrypted data they can't access, punishment ensues.

Like if you're gonna try to eliminate privacy and freedom, just be honest and open about your intentions.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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I haven’t checked lately but since it launched the iPhone has allowed the owner to choose whether to back up to Apple’s servers (which would be affected by the UK order) or back up to their local computer.

> or back up to their local computer. You mean back up to their Apple computer, yes? I certainly can't back up an iPhone to my Linux computer.

Actually I think you can backup and restore your iPhone on Linux using libimobiledevice. They reverse engineered the protocols for the backup and restore service running on your iPhone.

https://libimobiledevice.org/

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

This is why, while I applaud what Apple is doing here, they need to allow us to supply our own E2E encryption keys.

That’s literally what the feature they’re removing did.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Why is there only one "iCloud" to backup your iPhone and store photos? Lots of ADP users would use a corporate or self-hosted solution instead.

As far as I know you can still opt to backup your entire iPhone to a local computer instead of iCloud. You can also manually transfer photos to the computer. Or you can enable a different app (Google Photos or Dropbox for example) to store copies of every picture you take, and then turn off iCloud Photos. Note that neither Google nor Dropbox are E2E encrypted either though.

What would you recommend as a DIY method?

I have a NAS that is accessible through VPN. But I don't trust its encryption, thought it is in my controlled location.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#299

Presumably this applies to the iPhones owned by UK government ministers, civil servants, personal devices of military personnel, UK businesses, etc. As a brit, I find that my government's stupidity is almost its only reliable attribute.

Presumably not, politicians have a way of excepting themselves in these types of laws. It's almost as if they understand the need for privacy, they just fail to apply that understanding to any scenarios beyond their own.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, and maybe this is too charged for HN, but looking over at you guys from the US: The US has problems (don't get me wrong, look at our politics, enough said); but the UK seems to be speedrunning a collapse. The NHS having patients dying in hallways; Rotherham back in the popular mind; a bad economy even by EU standards; a massive talent exodus (as documented even on HN regarding hardware e…

Yes - that is my impression as well as someone currently living in London. Literally ever single system that I have to interact with seems to be somewhere on the spectrum between barely functioning and complete disfunctionality, with almost very few exceptions that come to mind. By system in this context I mean every institution, service provider, company, business... everything. Couple that with low salaries across…

Well Albanians apparently want to live in Norwich, leading to a bizarre anti-propaganda campaign with bleak black-and-white photography to convince them it's horrible.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99n0x4r17mo

Probably your money would go futher in Albania, and they've got a cool flag, but the devil's in the details.

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