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Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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post #263

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Correct. Wall Street will punish them for violating this principle, not the government.

Private companies' interest in what Wall Street thinks is generally not very large.

Which is why GP stated "if they are public." That was the context of my comment.

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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Correct. Wall Street will punish them for violating this principle, not the government.

Sorry, what do you mean when you say “punish”? How?

Indirectly by pushing down the stock price. CEO compensation is usually tied to the stock price through options, bonuses, etc.

Directly through activist investors and shareholder groups (which nowadays usually are institutional investors) who vote to change company policies, fire the CEO, or in some cases fire the whole board.

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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Neat! It's rare to see that a service you use actually does something that benefits the user rather that itself. An unexpected, but a really pleasant surprise. I wish this extension would integrate better with the browser by automatically understanding the context. That is, if I'm in a "regular" mode it'll use my session, but if I'm in a "private browsing" mode (`browser.extension.inIncognitoContext`) it'll use Priva…

> It's rare to see that a service you use actually does something that benefits the user rather that itself The reason it's become so rare is most companies in this space (heck tons of tech companies period) have used a business model of offering a thing to one group of users and then turning around and selling the results of that thing to another group of users, where the latter group is the one actually driving you…

> This by default almost assumes a hostility towards the former group because their interests will of course be at odds with the interests of the latter group.

I would generally agree that that's the "default".

However, there are cases where two sides of a market need an intermediary with which they can both independently transact, and a net benefit of that interaction is felt on both sides. The key is to construct the solution such that the intermediary depends on the goodwill of both sides of the market.

I think Kagi is somewhat flipping the script. By "taking" data from publishers for free, they are then selling it to readers at a cost. However, there is a trade off. Kagi needs to make sure publishers continue to make their content available so that it can be searchable, or used in their Assistant product. In order to do that, they need to do the opposite of what Google is doing by trying to sequester traffic on Google.com: Kagi's best interest is to make sure that they provide good value to both sides.

Indeed, using the Assistant product, the way it is structured, I very often find myself clicking through to the referenced original sources and not just consuming the summarized content.

How this evolves over time, from a product design standpoint, will be interesting to watch.

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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post #239

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Lightning just isn't a good option as you first have to pay the expensive Bitcoin fees just to be able to use it... (And hope that you'll find a route otherwise you'll have to do it again.)

If $0.27 is an expensive fee then I don't have any answers to that. Yeah routing can suck. First timers should use a lightning wallet with built in LSP support like ZEUS, BitKit, Phoenix, etc. Then routing is a non-issue.

Bitcoin average transaction fees is rarely under $1: https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_f...

I think it's better to use another cryptocurrency like Monero than having to rely on a centralized service just to get a half-decent user experience.

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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This is meaningless with a paid for service. Kagi can and will be required by court order to collect and track a subscribers use. It doesn't matter if your tech is supposed to be “anonymous”, they have to make it happen. You must operate in a country that cant compel this and be willing to jump ship when your nsa equivalent gets upset.

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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I can't explain this rationally, but my brain just rejects any other search engine. For example, in the case of Kagi, black links instead of blue feel off-putting. I guess years of using Google has hardwired into my brain how a search engine should look.

> For example, in the case of Kagi, black links instead of blue feel off-putting.

Not exactly sure what you're getting at, but:

"Using CSS, you can fully customize Kagi's search and landing pages from your Appearance settings." : https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/custom-css.html

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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post #191

One of the biggest complaints about Kagi from people who have not yet adopted it is their privacy concerns around having to login and have payment information. I'm not one of the people that has been concerned about that, but I'm curious to what extent this alleviates those concerns among those that have had them.

> I'm not one of the people that has been concerned about that, but I'm curious to what extent this alleviates those concerns among those that have had them. I am, it's mind-blowing to me that anyone would login to a search engine (yes, I know how many do it, now). After a brief verification of the system, I'm pretty sure I'll sign up, now

Why would you not want to login to a personalized service (unless you really need to be anonymous for some reason)?

Re: Privacy Pass Authentication for Kagi Search

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Nobody wants to use BTC because of high fees and at this point its less a usable exchange of value than speculative asset. I personally would only ever use and trust a online service advertised as private/anonymous if it actually supported a private and anonymous currency (like some vpns do).

Anyone claiming high fees is straw manning

Lightning is a meme. Imagine needing a sperate glued on system to be somewhat tolerable at the thing it was created for.
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