Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reversing cameras are required by law and they need a screen.
And are required by law because people with big SUVs kept running over their own children when backing out of driveways.
"Regulations are written in blood"
To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#292I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…
There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…
> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so.
What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70?
I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#293I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…
>"It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability."
Except the cases where there is a need to support some ancient / exotic browser this is total BS. There is no special sauce in SPA that makes it less reliable contrary vs backend rendered.
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.
My mother used to drive a 1989 Corolla until 2005, when she bought another Corolla. Both are working without issues to this day.
You mean she's not had to, checks notes, "upgrade the operating system" in all that time? /s
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#295I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…
>"It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability." Except the cases where there is a need to support some ancient / exotic browser this is total BS. There is no special sauce in SPA that makes it less reliable contrary vs backend rendered.
People tend to forget all the god awful server-side PHP/JSP/ASP slop of back in the day. I dunno, to me those days felt worse than today.
But yeah, bad software is bad no matter the tech used.
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#296A colleague of mine bought a Model 3, which he has mostly been happy with. But, since there aren't any dealerships / service points anywhere close, he has to drive 12 hours to the closest one. He got some error, I think it was the tire pressure sensors/tire pressure monitoring system, and had to drive 12 hours, sleep in hotel, and drive 12 hours back, to get that error fixed. Two days after he comes back home, a new…
He has to drive 12 hours with a faulty car? That sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#297I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…
>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…
As an owner of a 2020 V90CC (which was the last of the Sensus models), I have to disagree. I’m never buying another Volvo based purely on the terrible software experience that Sensus provides. Only being able to use half the screen for CarPlay, random crashes, features that simply don’t work, map updates that are permanently “installing”, blasting me with 1-2 seconds of radio at full volume at random when I’m playing from my phone.. zero acknowledgement from Volvo on the issue (we can’t replicate it).
I’d take the android auto version any day, but I’ve just replaced the car with a different brand. Unfortunately you can’t escape the relentless notifications and beeps no matter what the brand is these days, but at least the software is stable in the new car.
I just want CarPlay and for the car to get out of the way. Where’s the CarPlay 2 vehicles? They can’t come fast enough.
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.
I don’t think people who rabidly hate Elon realize not how much it says about Elon, but how much it says about them . Don't like Elon’s politics? Thats reasonable. Don’t like his approach to business? That’s reasonable. Oddly twist everything to paint an evil supervillain? Oddly extend that “evil” to others who fail to condemn him the same way? Oddly spend hours and hours online arguing with people about Elon with ot…
Why do you care if people hate some weird rich dude?
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#299A 20 year old Clio costs €6,600? Seems somewhat steep - I'd expect nearer to €660! I'm not sure why he's got problems returning, I'd expect Dutch consumer protection laws to make this an open and shut case.
In my area any car that doesn't need any reparation or work being done on it is sold at a minimum of 900€ and speaking of Clio of that era they are more like between 1700 and 2000€ if you want one in working order.
That is the funny thing with the second hand market. 20y old cars sold 20k€ or 80k€ new are sold more or less at the same price 20 years later. Because of higher maintenance cost and parts price + higher number of stuff that can fail, the more luxury items are also the ones that are less wanted and people looking for inexpensive cars will favor the most sold small cars of that era they or an independent garage can fix easily and cheaply.
Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell
#300Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn't even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.
I think it is unnecessary to say "Putting aside the ethics". This is a very personal thing, for you it would (presumably) take putting aside your ethics, and maybe it would for me. But that is not the case for everyone. I for one don't like it when people online, with every statement, signal their personal ethics. It gets to be very tiresome and degrades my HN experience. Actually it is degrading my whole internet br…
> I for one don't like it when people online, with every statement, signal their personal ethics. It gets to be very tiresome and degrades my HN experience.
Ironically, buying a Tesla is nowadays a very visible political statement.