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Of course there is “unseeing.” They can be tried for rather obvious crimes and thrown in prison.
They will get a blanket pardon anyway. So in the end we will have to apologize to them.
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> DOGE is obviously a completely illegal operation, Which law(s) are they breaking? Please cite them specifically. I'm genuinely asking because you are making a very assertive statement.
state based information privacy laws would be my first go to.
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> will get a blanket pardon Going into CMMS and IRS records almost certainly puts them in jeopardy of state crimes. Tight collections of only young, fervent ideologues have one role in military and political systems: cannon fodder.
Supremacy clause will likely protect them. Even fed lon horiuchi, charged with sniping an innocent woman with a child in her arms, was able to claim supremacy long enough the state case was too stale to win.
Supremacy just covers removal [1]. The body of law being adjudicated doesn't change. And the President can't pardon state offences.
I'm not convinced all these folks will get convicted. But they're almost certainly spending their thirties in court.
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No personal option stated or implied, but: exactly this was clearly promised before the election, and it is being delivered right now. The people voted for this: a majority of the American people. Democracy, no?
People have to vote for one party or the other. Voting for a party doesn't mean they want every single thing promised by that candidate, it just means they think the sum of all things from that candidate is better than the sum of all things from the other candidate. If this whole DOGE thing was hypothetically not directly connected with any party, I would guess that most americans would have voted against it.
If the current administration is able to do all this, imagine what previous administrations have all done without our approval. Only now people are shaken up about it, because the current administration is rigorously changing things. But it doesn't mean that it was better before, it was always corrupt, now the corruption just becomes more obvious to us.
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That's not very specific. Can you list some events/actions/behaviors/etc that you see as analogous to what's going on today?
What's going on today with doge is what exactly? They're accessing payment systems, as advertised openly in a democratic election. You want analogies of a scrutinizing funding and then viciously calling for its retraction? Because pretty much all colors and creeds have done that.
They aren't "calling for retraction" of fundings (which is normal in democracy, but then this call have to be listened by Congress for the retraction to happen), then are cutting funds on their own, without a democratic mandate and are doing so in spite of the laws and the constitution. That's unprecedented in any Western democracy.
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DOGE is not illegal. However the legality of some of the things they do is under question. The current government, including DOGE is being operated like “Just do as many things as possible, so that the lawsuits can’t keep up”. While lawyers are busy trying to stop big things, many small but important items will slip through the cracks and will take decades to undo. Edit: BTW this strategy has always been available, i…
> BTW this strategy has always been available, it’s just that career politicians aren’t incentivized to do this for “good” because they want long political careers. Or, you know, maybe it's also because politicians who are not total psychos don't want to fuck over an entire country for their own gains.
Now that some other psychos are taking over, the people that got used to the previous psychos are uneasy because change it not easy, especially rigorous change.
But maybe this will make people actually realize that the system was always flawed. The current administration just exposes that.
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They will get a blanket pardon anyway. So in the end we will have to apologize to them.
Yeah, we learned that trick from Biden. But when Biden does it then there's no problem with it.
However, if you put them on a scale blanket pardoning the mob who stormed the capitol, attacked and injured police officers, threatened congress members, planted bombs and were looking to hang the Vice president because he would not overturn the election results where do you think it will lean towards?
The one is bad optics the other is literally giving blank checks to convicted enemies of the State.
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I believe that the existence of DOGE and the EO is legal. I don't believe that what they are actually doing (according to reports) is legal. I believe they are doing illegal things based upon Musk's own tweets, however, I do actually hope he is just trolling and it's not actually happening as he says it is. That said, even if it's just trolling, trolling has no place in government. We all deserve better and we need t…
So what "trolling" are you referring to?
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This whole operation is as related to finding corruption exhibits as the Moscow trials were to finding traitors in the Red Army. It is a (ridiculous) pretext for purging the system from people that the new power deems “uncooperative”.
It is hard for me to imagine any entrenched civil service being cooperative with plans to shit can their jobs. So I'm not sure that means much. Almost by human nature, most people are uncooperative ( and deemed such ) with plans to end their dental plan and rent money.
And it's not some theoretical idea, in all Western democracies, every civil servant that has been in place for long enough has seen governments from multiple political sides. That's how it works.
Using illegal means to purge the institutions from undesired people is not something that happens in a democracy, this is unprecedented in the West since Gleichschaltung.