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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by 7thaccount »

ldoughty wrote: post #261
fl0id wrote: post #225

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tbh, these e-mails can also prompt unsubscribing. because then I actually remember that I am still subscribed to that thing.

Yet Kagi is one of the very very few services I've seen that sends a monthly reminder that they are ABOUT to charge you... And you have time to stop it. Typically I only ever see something like that with shipped goods where they might have to deal with a return + cancellation

That's really nice sounding and comforting. I've been a little on the fence, but Google has become such absolute garbage lately that I've had to frequently use Bing in order to find something that should be one of the first results. This may just be a better model.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by bandrami »

carlosjobim wrote: post #251
bandrami wrote: post #161

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Fifteen years ago people were talking about micropayments per article for news services being just around the corner. What ever happened to that?

A ton of newspapers actually tried micropayments (something like 50c per article). Almost nobody was interested, consumers do not want micropayments. I believe instead that the future for textual content is mass syndication, just like it worked out for video content and audio content.

God I fear the advent of Reportify and Poetify

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Post by lotsofpulp »

huhtenberg wrote: post #271
BossingAround wrote: post #116

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If the streaming services did this, I'd probably have pretty much all of them. Then, instead of paying monthly, you essentially have a tab open with everyone, and you pay for whatever you stream. Indeed, this would make me way less annoyed at the thousand and one streaming services popping up like mushrooms after a rainy day.

It's a very slippery path towards per-watch pricing with "rent this episode for just $0.99"... and that will be horrible.

Why is that horrible?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Jentifgq »

fnord123 wrote: post #82
dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

More importantly you can tell investors you have even more accounts than you do and your churn rate is very low.

guess we'll have to switch back to ARPU now...

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by geye1234 »

mbix77 wrote: post #235
cuu508 wrote: post #157

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https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Calling the invasion of Ukraine and the killing of hundreds of thousands people, targeting kindergartens, hospitals, normal civilians, destabilizing an entire continent --> "politics". "any search source we consider using goes through rigorous evaluation process that considers: result quality, API availability, economic viability, result latency, legal terms, privacy terms, and technical feasibility. the moment 'poli…

"War is politics with bloodshed. Politics is war without bloodshed."

-- Clausewitz (I think?)

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Tostino »

hk__2 wrote: post #229
frereubu wrote: post #147

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My experience is completely different - I get much better results from Kagi. And one of the things I really like is the ability to entirely block domains, so for example I never get any Pinterest links cluttering up the results the now. I also love the fact that you can enter a ? at the end of a query and it'll give you an AI-generated summary at the top of the results. That's a great shortcut.

> And one of the things I really like is the ability to entirely block domains, so for example I never get any Pinterest links cluttering up the results the now Note you can do this on Google using the uBlacklist extension [1]. You can select domains but also use patterns to match specific URLs, like `somedomain.com/someprefix/*`. [1]: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublacklist/pncfbmia...

Know of any good pre-built blocklist?

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Post by AdamN »

jgalt212 wrote: post #274
scott_w wrote: post #204

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> More importantly you can tell investors you have even more accounts than you do and your churn rate is very low. I know you're being a little facetious but it is actually a benefit. Many companies have implemented subscription pausing to reduce churn. The reason is pretty straightforward good business: it's easier to reactivate customers who lay dormant for 1 or 2 months than it is to let them churn and have to re-…

Fair enough, but as far as your investors are concerned you're changing the definition of churn. I'm sure if they ask, they'll be provided with "pause" metrics, but such data will never see the light of day in any marketing materials.

A thoughtful investor will be more interested in paid active users and cohort analysis of retention (in terms of actual usage) rather than subscription numbers/revenue in absolute terms.

Engagement can always be monetized better in the future.

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Post by robertlagrant »

RALaBarge wrote: post #281
Lutger wrote: post #218

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There are lots of benefits for sure, but you have to weigh them against the users who can't be arsed to cancel their subscription and keep on paying. You'll miss out on those.

That is what this effort is aimed at: sleezy status quo

I think this is maybe a bit simplistic. People forgetting to cancel means the price can be lower per-person. It's a little bit like how insurance is priced.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Novosell »

mbix77 wrote: post #280
Novosell wrote: post #278

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What else would you call it?

War, invasion, terrorism,... take your pick.

Are you under the belief that the US, in which bing, kagi and google primarily operate, has never done anything repugnant? Seems like ignoring that while cutting ties with Yandex because of Russia is a very political move.

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Post by PcChip »

mvieira38 wrote: post #288
huhtenberg wrote: post #271

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It's a very slippery path towards per-watch pricing with "rent this episode for just $0.99"... and that will be horrible.

I wouldn't mind tbh, it's way better than ads and would keep me from watching bad content

Why would you otherwise watch bad content?
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