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Post by hsuduebc2 »

qwedqwh wrote: post #246
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #191

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So russia deliberately mabipulate energy prices, plans for years to invade their neighbor with purpose of annexation them and somehow it's US fault. Lol. US have many faults and I would surely appreciate bigger independence for Europe. That's a fact. But the rest is just made up nonsense. I wonder why your account was created only for this post, have one comment and is under two weeks old. Comrade gopnik.

Another one of the 1.3 million Ukrainians in Germany, 250000 of whom are evading military service. All of them collect social security, live in relative comfort, take our apartments and lecture us if our opinions are not approved by the U.S. State Department, Biden edition. You do know that Trump admitted that the invasion was provoked by NATO?

schizo post more please lol

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Post by dunekid »

Yeul wrote: post #174
bjourne wrote: post #155

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The concerns are that US hegemony over the media narrative is crumbling. Young people, "highly-influenced" as you call them, sees that American bombs are dropped on refugees in Gaza and they don't think that is right. So just do what China itself does and remove everything that challenges the government-approved narrative. Banning TikTok is no different from banning publishers of books the government doesn't like.

Israel is god's gift to Chinese propaganda.Every single Palestinian death further erodes Western moral superiority. It's like the Mai Lai massacre that never ends.

I am quite sure God does not operate through US JDAM missiles and billions of dollars' of ammunition. God doesn't operate the American media which doesn't report the Genocide. If US was willing, this Gift could have ended long long ago. I am sure no other country was forcing US to vote against peace at UN.

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Post by rsynnott »

ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

> the importation into the United States of artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence technology or intellectual proprietary developed or produced in the People’s Republic of China

... That seems _absurdly_ broad; would arguably hit open source software, academic papers, patents... Like, taken at face value, this would mean "no longer do AI stuff in the US _at all_"; it would be impossible to do anything much without risking violating this.

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Post by rsynnott »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #211
theossuary wrote: post #81

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Thats how most propaganda works. Russia, for example, has been publicizing cases of extreme racism in the US for years to demoralize black people. [1] Hell this has been going on since WWII, when other countries saw how the US treated their black troops, and used it to damage loyalty. [2] Nothing works like the truth, if the US could just stop being so racist it'd be that much harder to divide us. It seems like that'…

The funny thing is Russia an China can claim to be less racist as they are homogenous societies.

... Homogenous in _what way_?!

They're both the remnants of large land empires, each incorporating many ethnicities, languages, religions... They are not at all homogenous.

Like, that whole thing with the Uyghurs, what did you think that was about? Or Chechnya?

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Post by sethammons »

stouset wrote: post #173
Defletter wrote: post #109

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That is speech. I'm sorry but I have yet to see a single person who makes this point admit that it's a form of speech suppression. This is classic First Amendment precedent. Just because the speaker is someone you don't like, or its content is anti-American (or what have you), doesn't mean it's not protected speech.

This has nothing to do with the speech. The speech is protected as always. You are free to say the same things on any platform you like: soapbox, print, a website, social media, anywhere. What is being prohibited is an adversarial government having complete control over an entity that can decide which speech is delivered to which specific audience.

How I read your stance: You are not allowed to hear what they have to say. They have poison thoughts that will infect you and others around you. We must protect our children from poison thoughts.

We can either strive for an educated populace that can identify propaganda or we use propaganda ourselves on ourselves. Propaganda is winning.

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Post by sethammons »

cjonas wrote: post #143
dmix wrote: post #22

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Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

The risk is obvious and it has nothing to do with privacy... It's the fact that CCP could deliberately alter the algorithm to influence a significant portion of the US in any way they please.

Uh oh, scary ideas. I am more scared of christo-fascism within the US than any pro Chinese messaging. To counter these ideas, I want more discussion, more education. I have learned a lot on tiktok

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Post by sethammons »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #159
dmix wrote: post #22

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Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

TikTok executives lied under oath about what they do with user data. That alone should have resulted in its ban. But the bigger issue is that we allow a foreign adversary market access who doesn’t allow it in reverse. And yes that has the capacity to skew our political process.

What did they lie about and how do you know it is a lie? What I saw was purposeful ignorant questioning. "Sir, I'm Singaporean."

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Post by TiredOfLife »

ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

US didn't ban tiktok. They banned adversary owned tiktok

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Post by metalman »

mr_toad wrote: post #200
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

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The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

> I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something I couldn’t help but lol when I read that.

The security apparatus should understan that anything they do in this case will be performative only. 5000000 downloads already, all legal many many instances up and running publicly if it was me, the first task I would give a deepseek model, would be to obfusicate itself and pattent the results, and start selling copys realy cheap......deepcheap

https://spectrum.ieee.org/deepseek

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