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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ioulaum » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:10 PM UTC

aredox wrote: post #257

ioulaum wrote: post #127

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I doubt that this sends back tons of data. Early TikTok was basically a standard Chinese startup in terms of how they collected data to optimize the app... It's not because they cared about what "you" are doing. The Chinese tech ecosystem is just more competitive than the US one. Most social media companies have been careless with data until they got public backlash though... TikTok's systems are probably more secure…

ByteDance is ready to close TikTok rather than divest and earn billions of dollars. Does that sound like a business or an intelligence front?

No one with even a pretension to dignity would just cave in the face of force.

Although, they do seem willing to sell potentially.

China restricted them from selling their recommendation algorithm, and it's hard to sell TikTok without.

But, TikTok did immediately start work on an independent algorithm that has no ties to China, so that they can sell it if it really comes down to it.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by zild3d » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:12 PM UTC

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

> I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection.

I'm not understanding what it is about a private company launching a product that changes that?

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by Gormo » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:14 PM UTC

handfuloflight wrote: post #75

Barrin92 wrote: post #63

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>but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription I mean you don't need to if you don't want to. I am gainfully employed as a software developer and what I do everyday is literally just fire up Emacs on my Linux machine and write code. To this day I haven't figured out what llms are supposed to do that a bunch of yasnippets don't. Just like five years ago most of my day is reading and debuggi…

You're definitely limited by how fast you can read and understand.

Is there some alternative, though? Using an LLM might speed up writing code, but obviously can't speed up reading and interpreting it.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ioulaum » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:16 PM UTC

gunian wrote: post #178

homebrewer wrote: post #163

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Not really, there' a world of difference between how every model I've tried¹ handles English vs my own native language². It's especially noticeable with smaller models, which produce coherent English, but completely break down in other languages: spewing out incorrect grammar, mixing words from other languages where they make zero sense, etc. ¹: which is dozens of them at this point, open and not. ²: with lots of spe…

Would finetuning fix this? If they are statstical parrots it would seem like it wouldn't

Probably tough to fix small models with fine-tuning... You'd likely need to train them with enough data from languages (and maybe translations between them) that they need to support, so that they can connect ideas in different languages properly.

Separately, the fact that they can translate between languages where they have never seen any translation data in their inputs shows that they have internal models of the world and language, that go beyond what one might expect from a statistical parrot.

They do have world understanding - perhaps limited some by the fact that their input data may not cover a lot of everyday things.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ioulaum » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:19 PM UTC

nurumaik wrote: post #145

ioulaum wrote: post #135

Apparently the target market for this is supposed to be "Chinese coders living abroad". Thus it supporting English and Chinese languages. And it may be a competitive step taken after Alibaba launched their new coding assistant.

Isn't any modern llm inherently multilingual?

LLM aside (which is just GPT-4o and Claude 3.5), I imagine that the GUI for the IDE may have better Chinese support in some way.

Although I haven't tried to find a Chinese mode myself.

That it's targeted at Chinese abroad is just what I saw from Googling it and reading the SCMP (Singapore) article on it.

The company that made it is also from Singapore (even if it's under Bytedance's umbrella).

They seem to be separate from TikTok. The only thing they have in the app store for example, is some chatbot application.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ioulaum » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:24 PM UTC

gunian wrote: post #174

guappa wrote: post #161

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And the USA wants only fb and google to be able to tell them what propaganda to push. It's all a propaganda war, it's not about propaganda-vs-real news.

Parable of the Talents seem very appropriate the fourth reich has created lil fiefdoms no difference whatsoever to each side

The position of governments in society, and thus the kinds of solutions they are biased towards, tend to be similar.

It's funny seeing things like US Gov trying to control free speech, while being restricted by the Constitution.

They do still manage via back-channels.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by redcobra762 » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:27 PM UTC

guappa wrote: post #264

redcobra762 wrote: post #246

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Then you know nothing of how China operates its military or its intelligence gathering apparatus. Ask any of the parts of the world that disagree with China about their sovereignty…

I don't see tanks in taiwan… What I see is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_oversea... As I've already said, I never claimed china are the good guys. Just that they aren't the worse guys.

...you realize the US is invited to be in those countries, right?

And why would you see enemy tanks on an island? What you do see are many many Chinese ships and planes, constantly violating Taiwanese air and sea boundaries.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by redcobra762 » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:28 PM UTC

guappa wrote: post #265

redcobra762 wrote: post #250

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The US is largely talk, vs. the substantial action China takes and has taken against territories it considers its own. The US importantly has a robust and independent judiciary where a fair trial is infinitely more likely than in China. Even for foreigners, the US legal system is accessible, understandable, and weildable for protection. It’s far from perfect, but 100x what you’d get in China.

> US importantly has a robust and independent judiciary where a fair trial is infinitely more likely than in China Except if you have an abortion. Then laws don't matter.

...this makes zero sense.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by tonyhart7 » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:30 PM UTC

softirq wrote: post #30

Side note, but I hate that we're moving to a world where coding costs a subscription. I fell in love with coding because I could take my dad's old Thinkpad, install Linux for free - fire up Emacs and start hacking without an internet connection. We're truly building walls everywhere.

>>"coding costs a subscription."

You are free to coding without spend a dime, these AI dev tool cost money because these LLM cost money to run

You can get the same experience with open source tools that you can run your own model on your pc

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by kstrauser » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 1:49 PM UTC

ioulaum wrote: post #287

guappa wrote: post #160

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If you pay out of pocket it means it's not an approved tool by your company, which means you can be fired and sued for leaking their intellectual property. Also 20$ per month is way less than what it costs them to run it. Eventually they will need to charge way more to cover their costs, and the people who can't code without an AI assistant will need to pony up :)

The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training. That only applies to regular ChatGPT use. And developers actively using AI for coding can easily spend more than $20/mo for the API. There are people spending $10-15/day in OpenAI API usage working through Cline.

> The coding IDEs at $20/mo do not result in your IP being shared with the AI provider for training.

If you’re not running the model locally, you’re sending your code to them for analysis. Now ByteDance has it.