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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hirvi74 »

zazazache wrote: post #49
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

What is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!

I mean, realistically speaking, the IDF is a powerful force, while Hamas is not. Israel has the ability to completely take over Gaza, but Gaza does not have the ability to take over Israel. So, as macabre as it may be, Hamas' right to exist, technically speaking, is controlled by Israel.

(All of this assuming no outside intervention for 3rd-party nations or groups of nations, of course.)

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by growthwtf »

boringg wrote: post #278
spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #267

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But if it is in fact more humane than in the past (hard to imagine TBH), hopefully that trend of gradual improvement will continue?

They literally razed Bablyon to the ground including the entire population after over 15 months being under siege and afterwards trying to change the lands hydrology so that people couldn't resettle - probably one of the harshest destruction but not the only one. I guess its an improvement - not one thats remotely impressive.

Are you being metaphorical when you say literally? Or is this a reference to the conquest by Cyrus the Great?

I'm not trying to be pedantic here. I'm just not familiar with any historical event you are describing.

From what I've heard, and I'm not an expert, I wouldn't characterize any of the conquests of Babylon as a 'razing', And the eventual abandonment of the city was more a result of slow decline and changing geological conditions.

I do like to learn about the history of the area, so if it's just something I'm not familiar with, please point me in the right direction.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Sabinus »

pydry wrote: post #97
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

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>This was genocide

Please don't abuse this word. If Israel was conducing genocide there wouldn't be Arab Israelis, and the population of Gaza would not grow over time.

Ethnic cleansing and insufficient proportionality consideration, likely. Not genocide. The Israelis don't want to remove Palestinians from the face of the earth, they want political and physical safety for the Jews, and history has worked out such that they feel they need an Jewish-majority ethnostate.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hirvi74 »

culi wrote: post #149
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

You're welcome to try, but I do not believe you will get far.

That's the thing with militaries. You kind of have to overpower them in order to get rid of them.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by tstrimple »

boringg wrote: post #278
spoonfeeder006 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if it is in fact more humane than in the past (hard to imagine TBH), hopefully that trend of gradual improvement will continue?

They literally razed Bablyon to the ground including the entire population after over 15 months being under siege and afterwards trying to change the lands hydrology so that people couldn't resettle - probably one of the harshest destruction but not the only one. I guess its an improvement - not one thats remotely impressive.

The destruction of water resources seems to be going ahead as planned still.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/destruction-gaza-w...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by gravisultra »

boringg wrote: post #223
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

That's not true at all. The current conflict isn't some thousand year old feud. It was very much caused by the deliberate provocation and importation of European settlers via Zionism. It's easy to wave our hands and say "it's so complicated!" or "they've been doing this for thousands of years!" but it's not complicated, much like apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were not complicated. Colonialism and ethno-centric racism are never good.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by mikestew »

growthwtf wrote: post #292
boringg wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally razed Bablyon to the ground including the entire population after over 15 months being under siege and afterwards trying to change the lands hydrology so that people couldn't resettle - probably one of the harshest destruction but not the only one. I guess its an improvement - not one thats remotely impressive.

Are you being metaphorical when you say literally? Or is this a reference to the conquest by Cyrus the Great? I'm not trying to be pedantic here. I'm just not familiar with any historical event you are describing. From what I've heard, and I'm not an expert, I wouldn't characterize any of the conquests of Babylon as a 'razing', And the eventual abandonment of the city was more a result of slow decline and changing ge…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Babylon

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by smashah »

tdeck wrote: post #260
smashah wrote: post #240

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This is what happens when there is an unchecked Affirmative Action program for zionists in many industries like tech and Media. Microsoft employees get fired for calling for a ceasefire meanwhile their Israeli counterparts get to gloat about continued slaughter of children with a mere investigation, in Apple, they provide extra support for employees doing time for the IDF while Palestinian employees get fired and Mus…

Folks who haven't heard yet should Google what Tal Broda was allowed to tweet while keeping his job as head of research at OpenAI.

It's the zionist affirmative action that gives unlimited second chances for clearly fireable offenses (if it were anyone else) in a cancel-culture prone ecosystem like tech and media. In contrast, people on HN get their comments cancelled just for calling them out on it as we can see from the mass-downvoting/flagging/deading in this thread. Interesting behaviour from the Chatham House rules/anti-snowflake/AI Killer drone funding/free speech+tiktok ban Certified Contrarian™ brigade.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by pydry »

daveguy wrote: post #116
pydry wrote: post #111

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Trump and Netanyahu famously had beef: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713 Trump's a die hard Israel supporter but I think personally he feels disgust for Netanyahu, for reasons that arent too clear. (As we all should - Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career)

> Netanyahu is a deeply racist genocidal maniac who cynically used this conflict to try and save his own political career. What makes you think this causes Trump to think lesser of Netanyahu? Seems like the kind of person Trump fawns over as being "tough". Oh, and like a sibling pointed out -- Trump wasn't mad at Netanyahu for being a racist, opportunistic genocidal maniac. He was mad that Netanyahu was the first to…

Read again. I said that the reasons arent too clear.

I dont doubt that Netanyahu wounded Trump's ego somehow, I just dont automatically believe a story that looks suspiciously like a plant.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by alex1138 »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

Yeah, sure, it's all Israel's fault, after the 1200 people slaughtered on October 7
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