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Post by s1artibartfast »

renewiltord wrote: post #232
s1artibartfast wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is almost entirely job driven. Given the choice of equal pay, most people would pick a cheap suburban 2000sqft house with a garden for 10% the price of a SF condo. Of course, variation exists

If this were true, we wouldn’t need to enforce the single family home through zoning.

The fact that you can build 200 condos on the same acre as 1 ranch house does not negate the fact that most people would choose the ranchouse over the condo if presented a choice between the two.

It is numbers game. Its not about what any single wants best, but how many times you can sell people their 2nd choice using the same land.

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Post by tayo42 »

Why isnt the cause just trends, music and fads changing? EDM and raves have had a big moment early 2010s then every thing kind of evolved, there must be new music for the new generation.

Like why aren't we listening to guitar solos, or 80s metal bands or grunge anymore? No one killed it

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Post by mrguyorama »

jamestimmins wrote: post #157
steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

More like "How come the younger generations aren't doing ?"

Because they can't afford it.

Also my belief is that people don't do anything anymore because nobody gets really bored anymore. Boredom is a powerful motivator to make plans, set up clubs, find interests, meet people etc.

Now you just swipe through instagram for a few minutes and boom, no more boredom.

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Post by lostlogin »

zamfi wrote: post #222
Tade0 wrote: post #191

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Supply can't possibly keep up when real estate is used as an investment. As an analogy to the dead internet hypothesis I present the dead real estate market hypothesis. Increasingly it's just investors buying and selling properties from each other. And it's not just a hypothesis. China built enough homes to house its population twice over, yet it's not reflected in the prices. All because everyone and their grandma i…

> China built enough homes to house its population twice over, yet it's not reflected in the prices. All because everyone and their grandma is investing in real estate. Yes, but this is reflected in China's vacancy rate: 22% by some estimates. In the US, home vacancy rates are sub-1%. Not saying people aren't treating homes as investments, but it seems clear we also have a supply issue. "Real Estate is Investment" sh…

If they built double the houses they need, how is the vacancy rate just 22%?

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Post by marssaxman »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #284
marssaxman wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you removed the legal protectionism imposed by zoning codes, which require the reservation of large tracts of land for single-family housing regardless of actual market forces, suburb demand would decrease even more dramatically.

Im not sure I follow your point. What does demand have to do with zoning? I agree that if you remove zoning, many areas of single family homes would be built up if they are in and around urban cores. That isnt new demand, but existing demand, not able to be expressed by current law. However, my point is that if your [random small town] job paid the same as NY or SF, you would see a flux out of those cities to the sma…

You appear to be asserting that the demand for suburban-style low-density housing is naturally quite high, and that many people who live in cities are merely settling for less-desirable dense urban housing, as a sacrifice they must make for a higher income. I counter that if this were the case there would be no need for single-family zoning, because people would naturally choose such housing whenever possible, and the market would respond.

> you would see a flux out of those cities to the small towns

Having actually tried this, hated it, and moved back, I am skeptical.

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Post by ethbr1 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #118

Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

> In the 90s/00s my consumption of electronic music was mp3 downloads of BBC late night recordings.

'This. is. Radio. One. Essential... Essential...'

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Post by grahamj »

tombert wrote: post #193
edm0nd wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flipside, it's also easily detected using a test kit or test strips you can throw into your pocket. https://endoverdose.net/ >Honestly, I'm in my mid-30's, I think that I'm too old to "start" doing this stuff. Certainly not, you are still young :)

I mean, let's suppose I had a guarantee that I have the purest coke to ever exist, with no adulterants added, straight from the factory...it's still bad for me. I probably shouldn't be ingesting it regardless. I've been reducing my caffeine intake, and I don't drink alcohol. I don't even eat sweets anymore. I'm basically a square now; too old to do this stuff.

Don’t do coke. E on the other hand…

Never too late to find out what a flood of serotonin feels like.

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Post by test6554 »

timbre1234 wrote: post #287

What's missing is GenZ isn't into it. The kids are the ones that go out all the time and they drive a lot of the revenue that big clubs need to stay alive. I'm not really sure what GenZ is into instead -- would've been cool if this article had tried asking them.

We may very well see a future judgy christian nationalist generation of youngsters who frown at grandma and grandpa millennial's tattoos and our nasty sexually explicit oldies music.

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Post by glitchcrab »

berlinbrowndev wrote: post #94

I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensi…

Nitpick, but it's Sub Focus and he is one person

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Focus

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