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Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
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Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#292These are a bunch of reasons why the top 1% of the most technical users in the world might not use Linux on their desktop. For everyone else, the reason they don't use Linux on their desktop is because it didn't come installed on it. If somebody does to desktops like what Google did for smartphones, then Linux will finally have its moment.
> For everyone else, the reason they don't use Linux on their desktop is because it didn't come installed on it. My experience lines up with this. Both my elderly parents run Zorin OS on their separate laptops for the past 6 years, they understand as a kind of 'free windows'. They don't care about the inner workings, they go online, check email, do shopping, make travel arrangements, print a ridiculous amount of pape…
Most people only have a few "essentials" applications they want to use (the browser in most cases) and don't care about the OS. Whatever can run these applications reliably will get a free pass. And for a lot of these use cases, if they have someone that can get Linux working well on their hardware, they only notice the speed and the lack of ads.
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
>These days, you can do anything on Linux that you do on Windows, except for some 3d Gaming. And that is because hardware vendors refuse to support Linux in the way they support Windows. It is the fault of Video vendors, most notability Nvidia. Even GPU drivers work fine for 90-99% of games on Linux. The biggest issue keeping certain games from running on Linux is actually anti-cheat support: https://areweanticheatye…
> And that is because hardware vendors refuse to support Linux in the way they support Windows Because Linux does not support hardware (or at least new hardware) in the same Windows does. AMD makes new graphics card, steps on Windows vs Linux to release an updated driver to support it Windows - Update driver, release via Windows Update / Website etc Linux - Send patches months in advance to the LKML using email, make…
We could use a bit more thoughtfullness in software dev.
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#294- "The vast majority of applications exist only for Windows, and speaking of games, Linux hasn't seen any AAA titles for many years now," The vast majority of AAA titles run seamlessly on Linux. Per protondb[0], ≥80% of the top 10, top 100, and top 1000 are rated "platinum" or "gold" for Linux functioning (by users). [0] https://www.protondb.com/
DirectX and Win32 are Windows APIs. Are you saying Linux has "games" because it excels at ... emulating them? What's the point of using/running Linux then when you have a much higher chance of running games successfully natively? What about dozens if not hundreds of games that use a kernel level anticheat? Pretty much none of them work in Linux. What's the point of native Linux APIs then? That's weird. Wine + DXVK ar…
Proton does such a good job that it is difficult to justify the cost of porting games when they already run on Linux in Proton. That said, Feral Interactive is still porting games to Linux and they have not gone bankrupt:
https://www.feralinteractive.com/en/news/?platform=linux
Proton often runs games better than the native ports, so there is not much of a loss if there are fewer native ports. Furthermore, in a number of cases, Windows games actually run better on Linux in Proton than on Windows.
Elden Ring is a fantastic example, as on day 1, it performed about 15% better on Linux in average FPS, and had substantially less stutter if I recall correctly.
World of Warcraft is another great example. It is well known to get about 20% better performance on Linux than on Windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_LlSaYNUo
Minecraft is another such game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytgDMgYL0eo
If you use AMD GPUs, it is more often the case that Linux will outperform Windows in games, since Valve wrote the shader compiler used for them on Linux and it is fairly amazing:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail...
Nvidia is working on improvements for the performance of Windows games running on Linux too. A recent driver release mentions a few such improvements:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/237587/
Not all games perform better on Linux than on Windows, although Valve has people actively working on changing this:
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And because every Linux distro uses a different theme and one of a dozen UI libraries/DEs/etc. the downloaded GUI application will look bad because it won’t fit in. Most apps/DEs/etc. use either GTK or Qt. If your application uses GTK or Qt, it will use the user's preferred GTK/Qt theme by default, and fit in with all the other GTK/Qt apps on their system. Sure, you might get unlucky, and your GTK app won't look gr…
> Most apps/DEs/etc. use either GTK or Qt. Which version of GTK? 2, 3, 4? Which version of Qt? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? What about X11/Wayland/Win32 compatibility? Oh, it's a$$. And who will maintain/rewrite the source code? Win32 on the other hand? Except for the introduction of Unicode friendly functions it's remained the same for almost 30 years.
You're just a hater.
I have to use Windows to test my apps, and each and every time it just infuriates me with ads and cluster fuck UI, constant notifications of different products, ads in start menu.
It's only consistent on delivering ads, not how the user interface is organized
How you have to tweak registry to remove the ad, but still can't get rid of OneDrives reminder, and then comes the forced updates. Settings are spread in between millions of places, extremely confusing, and twisted.
Search results are random, what the hell?! Can't even run the most used app with confidence, from search. Which is just a absurd.
Managing software, is freaking pain. Everything is everywhere, no proper centralization whatsoever. choco is good, but its cli, with which people have so much issues with.
And I have seen people suffering with bugs that was never solved, I had to setup another file browser just so the client can use his computer. Otherwise, it would take hours to load a simple folder.
The default Editor have no syntax hi lighting whatsoever, so streamlined developers, can't even provide a good editor, that could be compared with the most basic editor coming with gnome.
Windows is just not usable, and in my way, it's only feeding on the legacy, the apps. But Linux becoming much better now
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#296The Windows desktop is unusable shite, not the Linux one. OSX also fine. My Linux desktop machine does not crash. It runs whatever I ask of it boringly reliably. So does a laptop. That's been my experience for twenty years now. My shiny new Windows 11 work laptop locks up about twice a day. Reboots if I hold power for long enough to start running again. Gives me no indication what is going wrong. Doesn't even give a…
> Accidentally plugging in a dock overrides mic/speaker settings to ones that don't exist in multiple places.
An issue on macOS, too. Plug my MBP into a dock and it assumes that I want the Dock's audio to be the default input and output devices.
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's free. Over the last 25 years I've spent hundreds of hours fighting with its bugs. Not free by a long shot. > it's stable. Anything but. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues > it's easier to use. You must be joking right? A step in any direction and you must use CLI. > it doesn't have adds. Windows neither has "adds". > it uses less resources. Proofs required. > it runs on older hardware. Good luck u…
> What would you like to replace in Windows that's not "replaceable"? Whatever is powering the start menu ads.
Those are easy to remove
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#298None of these are deal breakers. In my experience, users are spooked by 2 things: 1) Lackluster hardware support (not entirely Linux’s fault, but the distros could have a qualified vendor list, for example) 2) Incomplete UI for the OS. Not a single time in the past 20 years did I set up a Linux desktop without the need to spawn a terminal. This is completely unacceptable and user-hostile. None of the other platforms…
The CLI is the only true UI ;)
When I think about all of what I do in the CLI and what would be needed to have a GUI, even a basic beginner version, I'm not surprised no one is doing it.
I believe that computers are like cars and should be treated as such. Driving one is easy, but any maintenance requires being knowledgable into how it works. If you don't have an IT dept, go grab a book and learn how to use the computer.
Re: Why Linux is not ready for the desktop, the final edition
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
> this hobbyist toy. Linux is fundamentally not ready for anyone who has needs more than a Chromebook Wow, piss right off you to you, too. Linux is ready for me, and has been for decades. By your logic, I need nothing but a Chromebook. Linux is imperfect, like you, but it's never been an ass.
I’ve used Linux since 2011; I know all about it; and I would recommend it to nobody because the community can hear no criticism, bear no criticism, and self-rationalizes everything. Sometimes it takes a bold stance to make a point against one of the most toxic, delusional, and self-righteous communities online. For my part, I’m back on Windows and Mac. Screw the community’s arrogance more than the project. The commun…
Which community can you walk into telling everyone that everything they care about is shit and they are shit and will never make it, and they will take it productively?
I Certainly admit that some Linux users are heavily in denial about linux's flaws, and don't take criticisms healthily, but this is a trait in humanity, not just in Linux users.
If your version of diplomacy is starting off a meeting with urinating on their flag, don't say diplomacy never works because no other countries can take criticism.