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Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by Hikikomori »

aio2 wrote: post #265
Hikikomori wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Healthcare, decent sized apartment, 5 weeks of paid vacation, free or easily affordable pre school, overtime pay, decent schools and free college, is a good start. Then some left over on top after essentials so you aren't living paycheck to paycheck.

Yea no. I understand the sentiment and agree with it, but not exactly feasible for a lot of companies, especially for the type of job they offer

So you acknowledge that the job should be done but the people doing it deserve to live in squalor even though they work a full time job. Just for corporate profit and your convenience.

Just so you know, all things I listed are things most people in Western Europe already have. Including employees of Amazon and McDonald's.

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Post by maccard »

crazygringo wrote: post #182
justinrubek wrote: post #151

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While the junk item situation on amazon is real, I can't agree with this take about local stores. I find that local stores tend to have random crap that they want to sell rather than high-quality items.

This is my experience too. Local stores supply the cheapest crappiest version of something, but sell it at full price. This maximizes their profit. Online, I can actually see from the reviews which product is best, and buy that one. I spend the same, but get a much higher quality product. There are so many products only sold on Amazon that have 20,000 reviews because they're so much better than anything you can buy l…

I just searched for a Wifi Extender on Amazon. This [0] particular model has 3.6k reviews, and is the first option after "Amazon's Choice" Must be good, right? How about we scroll down to one of those reviews [1]. Oh, looks like it racked up a bunch of reviews for being a washing machine hose, and then changed product SKU.

[0] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extender-Antennas-Repeater-Wireless...

[1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Extender-Antennas-Repeater-Wireless...

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Post by spondylosaurus »

ternnoburn wrote: post #234
bmicraft wrote: post #63

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So what you're saying is we should order a bunch of stuff and then cancel at the first sign of a delay in fulfillment so amazon loses more by waiting it out?

No, what they are saying is, "ask the workers what they want, and do that. Don't make assumptions."

Bingo :)

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Post by seunosewa »

SoftTalker wrote: post #271
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #217

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"not punching in my credit card number to random sites" Not sure about OP, but for me it's about convenience. My pet peeve is credit card forms. Do you know what % of websites I've used that have at least minorly broken credit card forms? It's literally 99%. Random common issues that are annoying but can be fixed: - autocomplete doesn't work at all - autocomplete only fills in half the fields - autocomplete only fill…

Sounds like the real problem is autocomplete. Do what I do, disable it. I never have autocomplete issues on websites.

Then you'll have to memorize a lot of long numbers.

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Post by SoftTalker »

greesil wrote: post #245
billy99k wrote: post #240

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Amazon warehouse work pays almost $20/hour where I live, which is well above the federal minimum wage and more than almost every other company in the area for this type of work. This is a living wage. "should be replaced with robots" I also think it's funny we are having this discussion. When songwriters and other creators were complaining about piracy in the 2000s, the general response from the tech community was th…

Minimum wage != Livable wage I don't think it's worth considering the comparison. But sure, maybe working at a distribution center pays well enough where you're located. Likely that's not the case where these strikes are happening. It's expensive out there. Also, what you wrote gives the impression of "I've got mine already so I don't care what happens to you."

Everyone deserves the opportunity to earn a livable income, but not all jobs can or should be paying a "living wage." Some jobs by their nature are part time and some people only want to work part time.

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Post by nullandvoid »

benterix wrote: post #225
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"not punching in my credit card number to random sites" Not sure about OP, but for me it's about convenience. My pet peeve is credit card forms. Do you know what % of websites I've used that have at least minorly broken credit card forms? It's literally 99%. Random common issues that are annoying but can be fixed: - autocomplete doesn't work at all - autocomplete only fills in half the fields - autocomplete only fill…

> [5 complaints about autocomplete] Maybe it's just me, but why would you want too have autocomplete for CC forms enabled? Personally, on these very rare consciously chosen occasions where I decide to give my CC number to another entity, I prefer to copy it from my banking site and never save it anywhere, neither locally nor in a cloud.

To flip the question - any modern card provider will 2fa through an app if the payment is suspicious, so why waste your time manually entering them?

It's the same reason I use a password manager, it's convenient and 2fa exists.

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Post by dietr1ch »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #246
okokhacker wrote: post #223

I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots. All the best to the union, I sincerely hope they meet your demands.

> I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots These are two entirely unrelated issues. If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. Until that happens, the workers should be treated humanely.

Yeah, but at Amazon people will be more concerned of a robot part squeaking for better care than a human yelling for it.

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Post by hirako2000 »

ITB wrote: post #210

I don’t understand why all these comments are about who buys or doesn’t buy at Amazon. The article is about unionization and strikes. I expect a conversation about the merits of unions and their negotiation tactics. In my opinion, events like these will just accelerate job elimination. The goal of a logistics company is to be reliable. Humans are unreliable and more so when they are purposely and collectively unrelia…

unions and strikes are not illegal.

The merits of unions, not always but their goals are, multiple. a/ compensation and working conditions leverage in negotiations b/ structure that can directly address all sort of issues the employer don't care about and isn't obliged to deal with.

That it makes your service experience particularly painful is exactly the goal, bad (or better, no) customers experience hurts the employer, guaranteed.

Disclosure: raised in France.

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

regnull wrote: post #244
okokhacker wrote: post #223

I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots. All the best to the union, I sincerely hope they meet your demands.

I don't think it's a question of who deserves what. They deserve a living wage. The kids deserve to get their presents on time. I deserve a pony. The question is how whether to see it as a smart tactical choice to get that they "deserve" or a cynical move to strike when they get maximum publicity and do maximum damage.

Isn't that the whole point of a strike?

You're going to have a bad time if you plan your strike at the most opportune time for your company.

Whether or not striking is good for society is a separate discussion, but striking when you have the most leverage over your company makes the most sense for those striking to get what they want.

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