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Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Imho is stunning, yet what is happening there is super dangerous. These videos will and may be too realistic. Our society is not prepared for this kind of reality "bending" media. These hyperrealistic videos will be the reason for hate and murder. Evil actors will use it to influence elections on a global scale. Create cults around virtual characters. Deny the rules of physics and human reason. And yet, there is no w…

Photoshop has been a thing for over 30 years.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #152

Superficially impressive but what is the actual use case of the present state of the art? It makes 10-second demos, fine. But can a producer get a second shot of the same scene and the same characters, with visual continuity? Or a third, etc? In other words, can it be used to create a coherent movie --even a 60-second commercial -- with multiple shots having continuity of faces, backgrounds, and lighting? This quote…

> " what is the actual use case of the art? " Not much. Low quality over-saturated advertising? Short films made by untalented lazy filmmakers? When text prompts are the only source, creativity is absent. No craft, no art. Audiences won't gravitate towards fake crap that oozes out of AI vending machines, unrefined, artistically uncontrolled. Imagine visiting a restaurant because you heard the chef is good. You enjoy…

> Imagine visiting a restaurant because you heard the chef is good. You enjoy your meal but later discover the chef has a "food generator" where he prompts the food into existence. Would you go back to that restaurant?

That's an obvious yes from me. I liked it, and not only that, but I can reasonably assume it will be consistently good in the future, something lot's of places can't do.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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I think this will be a thing one day, where photos are digitally watermarked by the camera sensor in a non-repudiable manner.

This is a losing battle. You can always just record an AI video with your camera. Done, now you have a real video.

This is what I think every time I hear about AI watermarking. If anything, convincing people that AI watermarking is a real, reliable thing is just gonna cause more harm because bad actors that want to convince people something fake is real would obviously do the simple subversion tactics. Then you have a bunch of people seeing it passes the watermark check, and therefore is real.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Comments like this one are so predictable and incredulous. As if the current state of the art is the final form of this technology. This is just getting started. Big facepalm.

Have you already noticed the trend of image search results for porn containing inferior AI slop porn? I have. It sucks. The world we're headed for maybe isn't one we actually wind up wanting in the end. I like the idea of increasingly advanced video models as a technologist, but in practice, I'm noticing slop and I don't like it. Having grown up on porn, when video models are in my hands, the addiction steers me in t…

It sounds like you have a personal problem that you’re trying to project onto the rest of society.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #206

Imho is stunning, yet what is happening there is super dangerous. These videos will and may be too realistic. Our society is not prepared for this kind of reality "bending" media. These hyperrealistic videos will be the reason for hate and murder. Evil actors will use it to influence elections on a global scale. Create cults around virtual characters. Deny the rules of physics and human reason. And yet, there is no w…

Are Apple and other phone/camera makers working on ways to "sign" a video to say it's an unedited video from a camera? Does this exist now? Is it possible? I'm thinking of simple cryptographic signing of a file, rather than embedding watermarks into the content, but that's another option. I don't think it will solve the fake video onslaught, but it could help.

Leica M11 signs each photo. "Content Authority Initiative" https://leica-camera.com/en-US/news/partnership-greater-trus...

Cute hack showing that its kinda useless unless the user-facing UX does a better job of actually knowing whether the certificate represents the manufacturer of the sensor (dude just uses a self signed cert with "Leica Camera AG" as the name. Clearly cryptography literacy is lagging behind... https://hackaday.com/2023/11/30/falsified-photos-fooling-ado...

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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I was curious how it would perform with prompt enhancement turned off. Here's a single attempt (no regenerations etc.): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730cb2qozcM If you'd like to replicate, the sign-up process was very easy and I was easily able to run a single generation attempt. Maybe later when I want to generate video I'll use prompt enhancement. Without it, the video appears to have lost a notion of direction.…

I mean, you didn’t SAY riding forwards…

I suppose if you reverse it would look okish

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Imho is stunning, yet what is happening there is super dangerous. These videos will and may be too realistic. Our society is not prepared for this kind of reality "bending" media. These hyperrealistic videos will be the reason for hate and murder. Evil actors will use it to influence elections on a global scale. Create cults around virtual characters. Deny the rules of physics and human reason. And yet, there is no w…

Are Apple and other phone/camera makers working on ways to "sign" a video to say it's an unedited video from a camera? Does this exist now? Is it possible? I'm thinking of simple cryptographic signing of a file, rather than embedding watermarks into the content, but that's another option. I don't think it will solve the fake video onslaught, but it could help.

Nikon has had digital signature ability in some of their flagship cameras since at least 2007, and maybe before then. The feature is used by law enforcement when documenting evidence. I assume other brands also have this available for the same reasons.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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post #152

Superficially impressive but what is the actual use case of the present state of the art? It makes 10-second demos, fine. But can a producer get a second shot of the same scene and the same characters, with visual continuity? Or a third, etc? In other words, can it be used to create a coherent movie --even a 60-second commercial -- with multiple shots having continuity of faces, backgrounds, and lighting? This quote…

Fun. Fun! I find it a lot of fun to have a computer spit out pixels based on silly ideas I have. It is very amusing to me

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Have you already noticed the trend of image search results for porn containing inferior AI slop porn? I have. It sucks. The world we're headed for maybe isn't one we actually wind up wanting in the end. I like the idea of increasingly advanced video models as a technologist, but in practice, I'm noticing slop and I don't like it. Having grown up on porn, when video models are in my hands, the addiction steers me in t…

It sounds like you have a personal problem that you’re trying to project onto the rest of society.

No, I'm providing a personal anecdote that some members of society that do have, or may develop, the same or similar problems are having both the (perceived) good and the bad aspects of those problems seriously magnified by this technology. This can have personal consequences, but also the consequences can affect the lives of others.

Hence, a certain % of the population will be negatively affected by this. I personally personally think it's worth raising awareness of.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Nonsense like: - People were 'forced' into vaccinations - Covid 19 was a testing ground for the next global pandemic so that "they" can control us - Climate change is a hoax/Renewables are our doom - Everything our government does is to create a totalitarian state next. - Putin is actually the victim, it is all NATO fault and their imperialism

Why is it impossible for these opinions to be homegrown? Would people be a hivemind without Putin?

It's not impossible, but of course they're not homegrown.

Putin's apologists always demand he be given the benefit of the doubt. That's akin to convicting a spy beyond a reasonable doubt. That standard is meant to favor false negatives over false positives when incarcerating people. Better to let a thousand criminals go free than to imprison an innocent person.

If we used that for spies, we'd have 1000 of them running around for each convicted one. Not to mention that they have a million ways to avoid detection. They rely on their training, on the resources of the state, and on infiltrators who sabotage detection efforts. The actual ratio would be much higher.

In the case of opinion manipulation, the balance is even more pernicious. That's because the West decided a couple decades ago to use the "it's just a flesh wound" approach to foreign interference.

The problem is that we're not just protecting gullible voters. We're also defending the reputation of democracy. Either democracy works, or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then we're philosophically no better than Russia and China.

But if it was possible to control the outcome of elections by online manipulation alone, that would imply that democracy doesn't really work. Therefore online manipulation "can't work." Officially, it might sway opinion by a few points, but a majority of voters must definitionally be right. If manipulation makes little difference, then there's not much reason to fight it (or too openly anyways.)

Paradoxically, when it comes to detecting Russian voter manipulation, the West and Putin are strange bedfellows. Nothing to see here, move along.

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