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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Just saw video of the shooting on X, the guy was cool as a cucumber. Racking a new round after every shot. Not a hint of desperation, fear or anxiety. He didn't even run off after shooting. https://x.com/Tr00peRR/status/1864376034465890417

Why did he reload every shot? Is it self made pistol? My best guess that insurance haven't paid his enough to buy glock17

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#292

Just saw video of the shooting on X, the guy was cool as a cucumber. Racking a new round after every shot. Not a hint of desperation, fear or anxiety. He didn't even run off after shooting. https://x.com/Tr00peRR/status/1864376034465890417

Why did he reload every shot? Is it self made pistol? My best guess that insurance haven't paid his enough to buy glock17

not a gun dude, but I read that it is common when using "subsonic rounds" for quieter shots.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#293

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That's untrue on its face. For instance, killing a guy is a way to use power. It's not one we like, but nonetheless.

I was talking about the power to enact healthcare policy change. I have the power to kick a dog, but that is tangential to the objective of interest. My point is that healthcare reform is obstructed by the fact that everyday American citizens want very different things and cant agree.

laws are lobbied by corporations and special interest groups, everyday Americans have very little say in legislation

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#294

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The primary reason for the cost difference is the massive network of middlemen injected into the system, and rampant profiteering by for-profit healthcare companies. Average cost of 1 vial of insulin in France: $9.08 Average cost of 1 vial of insulin in the US: $98.70 HDThoreaun: huffing some libertarian shit "The people are using too much insulin." https://www.rand.org/pubs/articles/2021/the-astronomical-pri... http…

> the massive network of middlemen injected into the system Does anyone have a good reference for this? It's something that I inherently assume exists but would love to see a flowchart of how rampant it is and where different layers are siphoning their penny. Would that even be possible?

just look up increase in headcount of administrative staff at hospitals, providers, insurance companies, pharmacy benefit managers, etc.

all their salaries and profits are coming from patient's pocket

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#295

It's unclear for the moment if this is an angry customer or jilted lover type of killer. Is it personal or is it professional? But as the insurance company with the highest claim rejection rate, they are quite literally killing their customers, manufacturing their own long list of aggrieved suspects.

Well, it was someone with a gun, a mask, AND a bicycle. That must cut the list of suspects down quite a bit...

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#296

A grievance will be reported upon soon. If the gunman was trying to improve society, I'm not convinced they did anything but the opposite. - sad in that regard. Good luck to the tragedy in the background, and rip Mr. Thompson.

A one off event isn't likely to change much. I think it'd take a sustained effort to make a major positive impact.

Username checks out...? ;-)

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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> The US spends over 17% of GDP on healthcare It doesn't have to be 17%, it can be an arbitrary number because the ones who decide on the nominal pricing are the ones who make money on them being extremely high. These same procedures can in some cases cost even 2-3 orders of magnitude less - and not in another country but in the same hospital but with a patient willing to pay in cash.

list prices are high to scare Americans into buying [more expensive] insurance plan.

they want Americans be scared of going bankrupt from medical bills.

on the backend, between insurance and hospital, these giant list prices are automatically lowered by factor of 10 to the actual cost of procedure

the business model is: 1. insurance scares people with huge prices 2. healthy americans buy a lot of expensive insurance 3. money is injected into healthcare system from healthy patients 4. money is split among insurance/pbm/providers/pharma

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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You're missing the point. The people running corporations are NOT flagrantly violating the law-as-written, with the courts just refusing to enforce it (for the most part). Rather they bend the law, often through tiny repeated violations of the law-as-written, and also through lobbying/bribing to undermine the creation of directly applicable new laws, to produce abjectly terrible outcomes that end up being de facto le…

There are still the factors of exposure rate and a difference between legal reality and expectations. Fundamental to this is that people are increasingly siloed and have little idea how closely the legal system reflects the will of the majority. They just think that their opinion is the majority and anything that deviates is the product of a corrupt system and public disenfranchisement.

Sure, that gap exists. But that doesn't mean it explains away the whole topic the way it had been invoked.

Furthermore I'm quite wary of hand waving arguments about the "will of the majority". "The majority" just complained about price inflation, while electing the former president that approved most of the monetary inflation they were complaining about, while he was actively promising even more inflation. And that is on a topic the average person should be able to understand! Never mind more subtle points about the downstream effects of more abstract policies. The way I see it, most everyone is extremely frustrated with the current system (hence spitefully voting for more destruction by President Inflation). But most of the energy gets used up arguing about which direction we should go, while the corporate machine stands ready to latch onto and nullify whatever attempts at reform that may arise.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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And maybe silenced? seems like professional hit from details so far.

Yes, a professional's getaway vehicle is always bicycle.

It has a lot of signs of a professional hit the more details come out.

The ebike was used to get into central park to somewhere without cameras and change clothing etc.

The video is somewhat consistent with a how a professional might appear, calm with reload/jam, back to camera then flee down alley.

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