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Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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It’s very easy to opine about the ethics others should have. Different when it’s you and your family and a comparatively easy effort will make a material difference in quality of life. And especially when you know ghe market need will be met by someone else anyway.

So says every drug dealer.

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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Because some of us go to sites like 4chan in order to learn what people really think. We want to see how they react and what they say when they are protected from consequences by the anonymous nature of the forum. We want the full spectrum of humanity, good and bad. The opinions of bots are not just irrelevant, they are a form of consensus creation attack. They make it seem like a lot of people have an opinion when t…

It's nice to want things. The people paying expensive programmers for bot armies to parrot their thoughts are currently paying cheaper humans sitting at a bank of beheaded cellphones to parrot amplify their thoughts instead. You're being lied to, regardless, the only difference is if it's a shell script to do the lying or a paycheck to a human to do the lying. Who's driving phone farm? https://www.some3c.com/blogs/ne…

I'm aware of the risk. I try to mitigate it by also browsing smaller sites which are hopefully too small to be targeted by people with vested interests. And I know I'm being lied to. That's why I want to see every lie, every extreme. I'm especially interested in witnessing them try to debunk each other's lies. In the chaos, a synthesis is bound to emerge.

Because in the end it's up to us. We're the ones who have to draw the conclusions. At some point we're gonna have to decide whether some idea is right or wrong. This is much harder compared to just blindly taking a side at face value and just believing them and repeating what they say. I suppose it's possible that most people would prefer to be told what to think and what to say. I for one can't live like that. Things gotta make sense before I'll believe in them.

It's important to witness every possible argument and to see every single one of them viciously attacked on the proverbial ideological battleground. Then you can figure out which points remain convincing. Declaring oneself right, unwillingness to engage in debate, attempts to suppress opposing viewpoints, emotional appeals, these are all signs of authoritarianism. This is reason enough to cast everything they say into doubt. Good ideas don't need to be forced in this manner in order to convince.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Makes me wonder what comes next. Could we create a forum where every member must do a 15 minute video interview with a moderator? I know this "doesn't scale" but I think it could make for a funny gimmick.

We are increasingly moving to ID checks. Australia law just now. For all its faults it solves spam as side effect.

It also makes it 100x more likely for you IDs to leak online as KYC companies are valuable targets that get hacked every month

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

#294

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It’s very easy to opine about the ethics others should have. Different when it’s you and your family and a comparatively easy effort will make a material difference in quality of life. And especially when you know ghe market need will be met by someone else anyway.

So you get a bit richer for less effort... but how do you think moderating legions of spam posts affects the lives of independent website owners, who just want to create communities around the things they love? Or indeed the users, who have to wade through trash invading their threads? Or other legitimate users, who now have to answer captchas from CloudFlare just to access their favourite websites? Ultimately this i…

Let us know who you work for and I'm sure we could find a few stones to throw your way.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

#295

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It’s very easy to opine about the ethics others should have. Different when it’s you and your family and a comparatively easy effort will make a material difference in quality of life. And especially when you know ghe market need will be met by someone else anyway.

So you get a bit richer for less effort... but how do you think moderating legions of spam posts affects the lives of independent website owners, who just want to create communities around the things they love? Or indeed the users, who have to wade through trash invading their threads? Or other legitimate users, who now have to answer captchas from CloudFlare just to access their favourite websites? Ultimately this i…

I had no idea I'd see so many people rising in defense of bots and scammers.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Just because you can technically crack them doesn't mean they're useless. There's a significant amount of time, skill and effort that went into the solution from this post, and the end result doesn't generalize well (you'd have to start all over for a different kind of captcha). The vast majority of spammers would not be able to replicate this; those who do would either make money legitimately, or focus their skills…

So, I do this type of AI development for solving CAPTCHAs. I can't get any real jobs that pay me for my more advanced skills. My primary sins were going to a second/third-tier university and some performance concerns in a portion of my previous roles due to divorce and burn-out. I make $80k/year in government IT, and $30-150k/year as the "AI" guy in a small 2-5 person group that offers a CAPTCHA-breaking API. The spa…

Ahh the good ole dilemma of selling your soul, you study what you love only to destroy it for profit. Like an entomologist hired by a pesticide company.

I get it man, gotta make the bucks helping spammers advertise their shitty products, even if they destroy the internet.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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There is a reason why people moved away from distorted text based captcha. We are basically at the point where computers are better at them then humans. https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14... is a paper on the subject i think is really interesting However a surprising amount of text based captchas can be solved in a few line shell script of, using imagemagik to convert to greyscale, dilate an…

Just because you can technically crack them doesn't mean they're useless. There's a significant amount of time, skill and effort that went into the solution from this post, and the end result doesn't generalize well (you'd have to start all over for a different kind of captcha). The vast majority of spammers would not be able to replicate this; those who do would either make money legitimately, or focus their skills…

Interesting, subtle difference but I always thought of captchas as having computational difficulty, but that's clearly not the point as you say. The cost is not compute but developer time.

If you manage crack it at 1mhz per captcha or 1ghz or 1000ghz, it makes no difference, as the bottleneck is the network identifier (ip address/block)

While still a type of PoW, these economics are different than offline mechanisms like password hashing or crypto. Where a 1ghz cost is still significantly different than 1mhz.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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It’s very easy to opine about the ethics others should have. Different when it’s you and your family and a comparatively easy effort will make a material difference in quality of life. And especially when you know ghe market need will be met by someone else anyway.

So you get a bit richer for less effort... but how do you think moderating legions of spam posts affects the lives of independent website owners, who just want to create communities around the things they love? Or indeed the users, who have to wade through trash invading their threads? Or other legitimate users, who now have to answer captchas from CloudFlare just to access their favourite websites? Ultimately this i…

This sounds so out of touch, you are comparing the livelihood of a person with the quality of a meme imageboard.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Hard to think anyone who can't solve a captcha is something other than a parasite. Parasites can solve captchas, people with accessibility issues and the poorest of people are the one being locked out.

Captchas are not only for stopping people with disabilities anymore. They also stop people using non-approved browsers, people trying to stay anonymous, people coming from the wrong geographic areas...

If the AI has access to a credit card, but Mgulu from Nigeria doesn't, then the system doing the filtering might evolve to filter out the 'undesirable' rather than the non human.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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A lot of memes and shitposting, I assume. /pol/ was always political, pro-trump, and according to some was even important enough to influence elections. I find that claim dubious, but it's true that many pro-trump memes (and memes in general) were created on 4chan.

/pol/ is 100% a big factor in the rising popularity of MAGA and far-right nationalist sentiment among young men

To what extent is it a factor as in the cause, and to what extent is it just an organic manifestation of the desires of the people?

You can apply this to most social media, but in the spectrum of wikipedia (the people control the content) to netflix(the private owners control the content), I'd think 4chan would be closer to wikipedia.

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