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London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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I suggest you read up on how London local government works. Sadiq Khan has about as much to do with this as Freddie Mercury.

Sadiq Khan is a frustrator/saboteour who sets the tone. His is occupying occupying real estate that could be used by someone to preserve and grow British culture instead of hating it and destroying it.

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Most people in London don't care because they are not English and have no connection with the thousands of years of history the city and country have. Only a third of the population has any connection at all to the London of the 1950s, never mind the 1100s. They are not stakeholders in its heritage, the explanation is as simple as that.

Nah. Even people who've lived in London for generations don't care if they're not in the food industry. Why would they?

Are they unaffected by the efficiency of London food supply chains?

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"Preserving the irreplaceable value of ..." works great as a personal motivation or a mission statement, but terribly as an explicit rule. It's the same problem as carbon offsets - if there's a formula for converting intangible values into cold hard cash, people will exploit the definition of the intangibles to make money.

Which legal and financial instruments have defended the City of London itself from being auctioned for parts? Subsets of culture are preserved, packetized & traded daily. Even StubHub has a "food festival" category.

> Which legal and financial instruments have defended the City of London itself from being auctioned for parts?

Currently, the Magna Carta. Clause 9, dating from 1297:

THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, and all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.

This clause has never been repealed.

But there were other forms of royal charter at least as far back as the Norman conquest, and probably before.

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Mostly agree, Londoners go to Borough if they're rich or the many local farmer's markets on the weekend. You'd have to admit, the not providing a new site thing is kind of shoddy though?

Borough market is for tourists. (although one of my must-eat places for all of London is there) I've bought some of the best seafood I've ever eaten from Billingsgate. I remember picking up some fresh scallops still covered in mud that were the plumpest sweetest scallops. My mother was in awe of how fresh they were

Sadly increasingly so re Borough. Used to be great.

Have you found anything like what it was for meat and produce? Maltby is great for street food but I mean actual raw ingredients. Yes there are some great butchers but Borough was great for everything in one place.

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The Corporation of London own the land Billingsgate is on. They've been looking to redevelop this for over a decade since the land's value is now magnitudes more than when it was built because of Canary Wharf and the new Canary Wharf Crossrail station. It's prime real estate land, possibly the best plot in London right now. And so is Smithfield, or at least the land that Museum of London is on, and they're moving to…

> Some things need preserving.

The bank accounts of the wealthy?

Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Nah. Even people who've lived in London for generations don't care if they're not in the food industry. Why would they?

Are they unaffected by the efficiency of London food supply chains?

I don't see anything in the article claiming this will damage the efficiency of London's food supply chains; indeed I wouldn't be surprised if it improved them.

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the ruling comes from up-on-high the mayor of London who does have some oversight over the city of london, and the transit of traders that utilise the market. Gotta hit those eco numbers.

The Mayor of London doesn't have any power over the City of London Corporation. They are completely separate authorities. The Corporation is essentially a unitary/borough-tier local authority, overseeing the "square mile" centre of the city, and has a council of elected councilmen. It provides housing, education, social services, street cleaning, markets etc for a small area of central London, and has existed since t…

this is actually a common misconception, since the GLA controls the LLDC, TFL, and LFC it has enormous influence on the square mile.

Significantly as I noted in my original comment the transit from outside the CoL into the market, but also directly.

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The Mayor of London doesn't have any power over the City of London Corporation. They are completely separate authorities. The Corporation is essentially a unitary/borough-tier local authority, overseeing the "square mile" centre of the city, and has a council of elected councilmen. It provides housing, education, social services, street cleaning, markets etc for a small area of central London, and has existed since t…

Fun fact, the City of London is the last local authority in the UK where businesses as well residents get to vote. Businesses can appoint one voter for every five employees up to 50, and then one per 50 employees after that.

Fun fact, comments like this give me the impression this place is turning into reddit.

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Arguably, startups should have absurd mission statements, while managers of the city of London should be more sober.

Wait why should startups have absurd mission statements? That doesn’t make sense to me

Unrealistic goals seem to be a core tenet of capitalist realism. You see the same thing in politics: Trump is going to stop the Ukraine war in one day, Musk is going to cut 2 trillion from the US budget with efficiency improvements, etc... . A couple of years ago my company gave OKRs a go. One of the principles is that objectives should be practically impossible to reach, i.e. if you hit 100% of an objective then it wasn't ambitious enough. It's a surefire way to ramp up anxiety and stress on a team.
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