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Netflix Europe offices raided in tax fraud probe

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Post by jraph »

wang_li wrote: post #288
MichaelZuo wrote: post #214

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Uber's files and computers located in French territory are of course accountable to French authorities, but that's simply not the case for those located in other jurisdictions… Unless there is some international law or treaty mandating that?

It's not a matter of what's located in France. It's a matter of what documentation about your company requires you to keep. Regardless of where the computers you use are physically located if you can't produce the required documents you get to be fined, be shut down, and/or go to prison. No company gets to play the game of "we're doing business in Uzbekistan but our accounting servers are in Sealand so we don't have…

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Post by pyrale »

golemotron wrote: post #285
pyrale wrote: post #146

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Uber has a history of serving falsified data to the justice, though. Their offices are raided because they can’t be trusted with a subpoena.

The real issue is that technology has rendered office raiding useless. People are welcome to explore alternatives.

> People are welcome to explore alternatives.

For companies that deliberately obstruct justice work? Have the board and a healthy amount of executives serve 20 years in a high security prison, seize the assets and investigate their investors' due dilligence process. Gather proof with infiltrated workers.

Tech leaders need to learn that criminal conspiracy is not part of a good business plan. If they start using mafia tactics, so can Justice.

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Post by lm28469 »

nicce wrote: post #84
Algent wrote: post #69

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That's basically what happened when they tried (twice I think ?) to raid Uber offices in France, their boss pressed a kill switch and everything went down in seconds. It completely blocked the investigation. Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Edit: Some sources in below replies for infos o…

> Afterward Uber helped Macron campaign who then ordered National Financial Prosecutor's office to "stop bothering them" so I don't think anything new happened since. Isn’t that kinda definiton of corruption?

Ahahahah you fool, don't be ridiculous, in civilized western countries we call it lobbying

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Post by Terr_ »

valval wrote: post #218
aaronax wrote: post #131

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Thinking the systems that a company has are so sensitive that the company is basically above the law is the insane thing. It is just a company--a group of people granted certain rights. They have databases...fancy filing cabinets. Just because the company is famous shouldn't preclude their filing cabinets from being searched (presuming legal processes are used and not abused).

I and many others think the government should have 0 business in my filing cabinet. That difference in world view might be what makes this topic more complex than you seem to think.

[Not parent poster] So even the most heinous act of violence become unprosecutable when the suspects/accomplices have moved all remaining evidence into a magically inviolable filing cabinet?

No? Then the world is a lot more complex than property rights trumping everything else.

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Post by lm28469 »

thrw42A8N wrote: post #148
lm28469 wrote: post #116

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Funny how it works, they lose money everywhere but one of the smallest country they operate in banks 50% of their worldwide revenues, it probably is just a coincidence that this is a tax heaven... we just don't know I guess The French branch made 160k of profit while the Irish branch made more than all the other EU countries combined FYI: france is the second market for airbnb after the US... do you really think they…

I don't know why you're telling me this, I know it - and it's not relevant at all without knowing the numbers.

Well you said it doesn't matter because we don't know the numbers, yet the numbers we do know about don't match any scenario that doesn't involve large scale tax """optimisation"""

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Post by MichaelZuo »

wang_li wrote: post #288
MichaelZuo wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber's files and computers located in French territory are of course accountable to French authorities, but that's simply not the case for those located in other jurisdictions… Unless there is some international law or treaty mandating that?

It's not a matter of what's located in France. It's a matter of what documentation about your company requires you to keep. Regardless of where the computers you use are physically located if you can't produce the required documents you get to be fined, be shut down, and/or go to prison. No company gets to play the game of "we're doing business in Uzbekistan but our accounting servers are in Sealand so we don't have…

Attempted insults only decrease the credibility of the writer… anyways I didn’t claim Uber is supplying less than the legally required amount of paperwork?

Nor is it likely.

All the accounting, insurance, banking, regulatory, etc… paperwork legally necessary for even a large company in France can easily fit in a set of binders that fit in a single bookcase.

So it’s literally possible for all of it to be ready and available for inspection before anyone even touches a keyboard. And in fact that was the case for every company in France pre 1960s.

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Post by multjoy »

gruez wrote: post #216
tokinonagare wrote: post #171

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If a company is doing business here, the actual location of file is irrelevant. Also when the government is really motivated, he can arrested the founders or executives directly (Pavel Durov). Which is what they should do to Netflix execs if they are doing business illegally.

>Also when the government is really motivated, he can arrested the founders or executives directly (Pavel Durov). Which is what they should do to Netflix execs if they are doing business illegally. You're in favor of holding executives hostage to demand access to data? If they actually did something illegal, they can be arrested/tried for that, but arresting executives as a means to coerce companies into doing stuff…

The executives are the company.

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undersuit wrote: post #272
lacy_tinpot wrote: post #240

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>Do you know how we won World War 2? We as in the Allied forces? The Great Alliance? I also live within 200 miles of one of our Japanese Internment Camps.

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