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Identity, caste, religion, and ethno-linguistic grouping are the backbone of Indian politics, so yes these things come up whenever any political topics come up
and these debates happen peaceably between members of conflicting groups? doubt.
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The answer was repeating my example when I asked for one of your own. It felt like you didn't really care what my question was. Is there nothing that causes you to feel like you are compromising your morals? The example you gave with having to make friends to get a good grade, I'm unsure how that relates to compromising your morals. Is that an experience you personally went through? What was that like for you?
> The example you gave with I will repeat and rephase the answer which you may have misunderstood: Circumstances, like someone preventing one's self from being assaulted every day by racists or racial supremacists, seems like a pretty clear cut example of someone who has less privilege.
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More women will die today from vehicle related injuries than will die all year from prevented abortions. But one topic is at the top of all the news, the other is ignored, because it's so common.
Society has decided that car crashes are a worthy trade off for having cars. Its not in the news because the vast majority of americans agree that cars are good even if they have downsides.
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… really? Let's say, for sake of argument, that a fetus is a life, equal in rights to that of a human. What counterpoint is there to support the argument that 2 dead is better than 1 dead?
I suppose if would depend on whether you believe that inaction leading to more death is more ethical then actively choosing to murder one life to save the other. Let's look at the same problem but swap out the actors. Say you have one man with a mortal wound to his heart, and another man with a mortal wound to his lungs. Both will probably die, both men have families, and neither wants to die. Is it ethical to murder…
I'd say it's perfectly ethical to kill the man with the mortal heart wound and take his lungs.
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> The example you gave with I will repeat and rephase the answer which you may have misunderstood: Circumstances, like someone preventing one's self from being assaulted every day by racists or racial supremacists, seems like a pretty clear cut example of someone who has less privilege.
I'm sorry you have to go through that. That sounds terrible to have to experience. If I may ask, how has that compromised your morals?
Maybe those other people were talking about a friend? Maybe they were just talking about things in general and had no specific situation in mind.
I was just giving some possible situations or hypotheticals that would justify their arguments that they made.
But I am glad you were able to basically agree with me here that their arguments were justified in certain circumstances.
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Personal attacks will get you banned on HN. No more of this, please, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. If you'd please avoid tit-for-tat spats here generally, we'd appreciate it. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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I've found that a way to side-step this is to NOT talk about solutions; because solutions are always political; but to talk about problems - and not even the causes of the problems, but the problems themselves. Discuss the problems, and "what would you do" kind of hypotheticals, and you can find common ground with almost anyone.
Silly me, here I thought the whole point of politics was to solve problems, when really it's just to endlessly whine about them at teatime.
"The only problem politics can solve is generally preventing competing tribes from killing themselves in physical war.
Politics itself is incapable of solving any other problem, but could be used as a tool to solve your or your tribe's local problems if interference with other tribes is an issue. Solution duration will typically be very linearly dependent upon its amount of energy, motivation, and resources."
I don't agree with the above view, it has a fatalistic view of humanity that I emotionally can't accept, according to my religion anyway (which currently helps me out with food). I think that politics can definitely solve issues, and it solves issues for actual people and not corporations every day. It's just a matter of being a good citizen and contributing when you can.
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This is in regard to widely and long time held social rules ingrained in the spoken and unspoken system of in-person manners / etiquette in the West. It has nothing to do with online forum communication: nor is that latter format some kind of proof for the former. If you think that you have a right to behave how you wish, be anyone's guest. Just don't complain when you don't get your expected result. As that's how et…
I already feel like I'm walking on eggshells just trying to respond to this/you. I was trying to clarify the scope of your comment "infringes on the right of others to not be regularly subject to spontaneous (or not) conversations that people frequently get emotional over." I've been living in the United States for over 20 years and I genuinely have never experienced/felt such a strong standard for public conversatio…
Given that, I feel like you complaining that it made you feel as if you are "walking on eggshells" is meant to be manipulative toward getting me to concede your desires for the culture.
Good luck with that, anywhere. Believe what I say or not, I couldn't care less care how you feel in regard to my good faith sincerity. For Pete's sake. This is a stranger on the internet. I'm not your mother.
You're more than welcome to ignore what I say. I am not invested in you believing me, and this is not whatsoever a debate. I'm informing you of the reality on the ground as I know it to be. You seem to think that you are debating with the culture through me, somehow. My word.
As for the rest: I wrote a long response and then deleted it because of how crazy your response is on multiple assertions. From the reversal of your prior core complaint (to what, try to marginalize the common etiquette by now saying that you never come across it when it was the subject of your prior complaint?), to the hostile label, to the supposed and pointless correction of my phrasing that requires ignoring that it was in the context of your initial complaint. You are being argumentative just to be so, predicated on a false premise to boot. Your post isn't worth responding to more specifically. It's not hard at all to see why you might have some cultural trouble. Though, given what I now see, perhaps it isn't cultural trouble exactly. Perhaps it has more to due with your specific personality. As I have known many more perfectly polite and conversationally skilled foreigners than not.
If this quality of response is typical of your conversational skill, and refraining from it is "walking on eggshells", then I'd suggest you get used to that in order to get by.
Or maybe taking a communication class would help. A lot of people have stumbling blocks of various types, and not only with the specific issue under discussion. Even those who were born here. Conversation is an artform.
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I already feel like I'm walking on eggshells just trying to respond to this/you. I was trying to clarify the scope of your comment "infringes on the right of others to not be regularly subject to spontaneous (or not) conversations that people frequently get emotional over." I've been living in the United States for over 20 years and I genuinely have never experienced/felt such a strong standard for public conversatio…
My prior response to you was completely neutral and meant to be helpful. Given that, I feel like you complaining that it made you feel as if you are "walking on eggshells" is meant to be manipulative toward getting me to concede your desires for the culture. Good luck with that, anywhere. Believe what I say or not, I couldn't care less care how you feel in regard to my good faith sincerity. For Pete's sake. This is a…
Good luck with the rest of your polite and skilled conversations where you accuse other people of being manipulative and crazy.
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Not wanting people to led to believe in a flat earth, and being able to work with people that believe in a flat earth are two different ideas that I don't believe contract each other, but I'm honored you think my writing is worth reading that much of!
Is flat earth actually catastrophical for you? It seems like other catastrophized topics are much greater points of passion. >When Twitter pretends to be powerless to do anything about death/rape threats to women journalists, the light of civilization is dimmed, ever so slightly. When entire classes of people disengage from mainstream discourse because they are being threatened by bodily harm, maybe it is possible th…