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I know nothing about companies (esp. in the US), but I find it weird that a company can go from non-profit to for-profit? Surely this would be taken advantage of. Can someone explain me how this work?
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Everything is allowed to happen until there's a lawsuit over it. A lawsuit requires a plaintiff, who can only sue over the damage suffered by the plaintiff, so taking a little value from a lot of people is a way to succeed in business without getting sued.
Could a class action suit be the solution? I've no idea if it could be valid when it comes to OpenAI, but it does seem to be a general concept designed to counter wrongdoers who take a little value from a lot of people?
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The ones selling the shovels are doing well, but otherwise yeah nobody is making any money. For the true believers that's just a temporary setback on the way to becoming trillionaires though.
Well they are spending billions to make shovels that they are selling for millions (roughly).
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If an "artist" or "thinker" stops because of this, I question their motivations and those labels in the first place.
After Instagram started feeding user photos to their AI models, I stopped adding new photos to my profile. I still take photos. I wonder about your thoughts about my motivation.
Can anyone trust the next "non-profit" startup ? So easy to attract appeal with a lie and turn around as soon as you are in a dominant position.
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Good point. That sounds a lot like fraud.
Not paying taxes while losing money sounds like fraud to you? What do you propose should be taxed, exactly?
How do you know they had no profit with all of the deals with major companies and having one of the most popular software services in existence? Non-profits can earn profit, they just don't have to pay taxes on those profits and they can't distribute those profits to stakeholders -- it goes back to the business.
They are also a private company, and do not have to report revenue, expenses, or profits.
So yeah, I stand by what I said -- it sounds like fraud. And it deserves an audit.
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This is the most important question, IMO! ChatGPT says that employees and donors would have to show that they were defrauded (lied to), which IMO wouldn’t exactly be hard given the founding documents. But the real power falls to the government, both state (Delaware presumably…?) and federal. It mentions the IRS, but AFAIU the DoJ itself could easily bring litigation based on defrauding the government. Hell, maybe thr…
Genuinely curious because I have no idea how any of this works... Would the founding documents actually count as proof of a lie? I feel like the defense could easily make the argument that the documents accurately represented their intent at the time, but as time went on they found that it made more sense to change. It seems like, if the founding documents were to be proof of a lie, you'd have to have corresponding p…
You’re right that Altman is/will sell it as an unexpected but necessary adaptation to external circumstances, but that’s a hard sell. Potentially not to a court, sadly, but definitely in the public eye. For example:
We are concerned about late-stage AGI development becoming a competitive race without time for adequate safety precautions… We are committed to providing public goods that help society navigate the path to AGI.
And this is the very first paragraph of their founding blog post, from 2015:
OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact.
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Even if the knock-on effect is "all the artists and thinkers who contributed to the uncompensated free training set give up and stop creating new stuff"?
Recording devices, you know a record player had a profound effect on artists. go back
Recording devices permitted artists to sell more art.
Many of the uses of AI people get most excited about seem to be cutting the expensive human creators out of the equation.
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What “show of support”? Not willing to rock the boat is not the same as being supportive.
What were all those open letter and "let's jump to Microsoft with Altman" shenanigans that the employees were carrying out then?
Low level employees are there for the money, not for the drama.