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DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

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Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#291

I am excited and optimistic that we appear to be applying economic principles to housing! Now that we're getting rid of centralized price controls / collusion, next can we do supply/demand?

On the demand side it would be nice to keep PE firms from hoovering up all the single family homes. https://www.thesling.org/are-hedge-funds-and-private-equity-...

You do that by building enough houses to make housing unattractive to investment firms

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the demand side it would be nice to keep PE firms from hoovering up all the single family homes. https://www.thesling.org/are-hedge-funds-and-private-equity-...

Would be interesting to see what would happen if renters had the option to buy the underlying property/unit somehow after being a tenant for a certain time. The goal should be ownership for folks who want it, not a nation of renters.

All they have to do is offer the owner an adequate price.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the demand side it would be nice to keep PE firms from hoovering up all the single family homes. https://www.thesling.org/are-hedge-funds-and-private-equity-...

You can't just ban them. Where there is profit to be made, they will find a way around any regulation. You have to change the structure of the market so they no longer see these investments as profitable. One way local areas do this is by "homestead tax exemption" which reduces property taxes if you live in your own home, but this is binary and punishes small landlords equally as big ones.

> which reduces property taxes if you live in your own home

My town is experimenting with allowing this exemption if anybody claims the address as their primary residence, whether it is the owner or not. The main purpose is to cut down on people keeping vacation homes, but it should also make things more expensive for flippers and speculators.

Small landlords are no better than big ones if they’re keeping properties empty.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the demand side it would be nice to keep PE firms from hoovering up all the single family homes. https://www.thesling.org/are-hedge-funds-and-private-equity-...

You can't just ban them. Where there is profit to be made, they will find a way around any regulation. You have to change the structure of the market so they no longer see these investments as profitable. One way local areas do this is by "homestead tax exemption" which reduces property taxes if you live in your own home, but this is binary and punishes small landlords equally as big ones.

Those taxes just get added to the rent charged.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#296

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It doesn't just look at competitor prices, it accepts internal and private financial data for numerous property (managers). Then it instructs the most profitable rates for each of them as a whole.

This is just collusion/price fixing through an indepedent 3rd party, not competition.

Or, perhaps it is put better by a RealPage exec: "there is greater good in everybody succeeding versus essentially trying to compete against one another in a way that actually keeps the entire industry down"

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the demand side it would be nice to keep PE firms from hoovering up all the single family homes. https://www.thesling.org/are-hedge-funds-and-private-equity-...

You can't just ban them. Where there is profit to be made, they will find a way around any regulation. You have to change the structure of the market so they no longer see these investments as profitable. One way local areas do this is by "homestead tax exemption" which reduces property taxes if you live in your own home, but this is binary and punishes small landlords equally as big ones.

It's a complex problem. Some landlords are great, keep nice homes, and take care of the property. Some homeowners are absolute slobs, and don't take care of their properties. But, in general, "landlord" quality is considered the lowest level of effort/materials for maintenance.

Once an area reaches a certain % of landlords (no idea the actual %, but it's low), it leads to a general decline of the neighborhood. These landlords are buying starter homes (apartments and houses) whether they are PE companies or individual landlords, driving up the cost of "cheap" housing.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#298

Curious where the line is supposed to be for gathering market information and making pricing decisions. Surely it would be legal if I had an employee scour all the rental listings in my area and use that to give me price distributions for similar units to the ones I’m advertising. But according to the DOJ if I hire a company to do this, it’s not? What if I have two units to list and it wouldn’t make sense for me to h…

From an "outside the black box" PoV of the rental market, there is very little difference between:

(1) 95% (say) of landlords secretly meet somewhere, conspire, then set their new rent rates together

(2) 95% of landlords secretly meet somewhere, conspire, then all set their new rent rates based on the "individualized" advice of Rent, Loot, & Pillage Consulting Co.

(3) 95% of landlords listen to marketing pitches from RealPage, understand the between-the-lines message that using RealPage's software would be a great "all the added profits, but none of the legal exposure" alternative to a price-fixing conspiracy, and decide to buy & use the software.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if renters had the option to buy the underlying property/unit somehow after being a tenant for a certain time. The goal should be ownership for folks who want it, not a nation of renters.

All they have to do is offer the owner an adequate price.

The problem is they can't give the owner an adequate price when they're paying for the owner to grow more equity in the property while also needing to save at a faster rate to afford a downpayment on a mortgage.

Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters

#300

Curious where the line is supposed to be for gathering market information and making pricing decisions. Surely it would be legal if I had an employee scour all the rental listings in my area and use that to give me price distributions for similar units to the ones I’m advertising. But according to the DOJ if I hire a company to do this, it’s not? What if I have two units to list and it wouldn’t make sense for me to h…

I recommend reading the filing since the DOJ isn't saying this.

The main differences is that RealPage collects and digests nonpublic information among competitors.

The DOJ also has a lot of evidence that RealPage knew that this would increase prices and prevent competition.

RealPage itself is also a monopoly. There are strong network effects with the service, and RealPage's willingness to allegedly anticompetitively raise prices means a another more scrupulous competitor is unlikely to succeed.

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