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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by jerojero »

tomcar288 wrote: post #284
vegetablepotpie wrote: post #26

This article spells out the incentive structure that leads to low-status men underperforming. > Some of the jobs he can get don’t pay enough to give him the self-respect he feels he needs, and others require him to get along with unpleasant customers and coworkers, and to maintain a submissive attitude toward the boss. > The educated class decides cohabiting partnerships are just as valid and important as marriage. A…

but this is the nature of all employed work: "submissive attitude toward the boss." Even if you're the CEO of a major corporation, you still have a submissive attitude towards shareholders.

It's rare but some people work in co-ops. Though I guess you could say they are not doing "employed work"?

In any case, there's forms of labour out there that can be more empowering to the worker.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #263
ryandrake wrote: post #230

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Yea, this is what I got out of it too: The "elite" (whoever they are) are deliberately changing cultural norms to promote single motherhood, unmarried cohabitation, family instability, and so on, but they hypocritically forbidding these things in their own families , and will only admit it in private. Two questions he doesn't seem to answer: 1. How are The Elite™ actually doing this? Cultural norms are set by culture…

I wonder if the elite might be trapped by the culture. (Hear me out, here...) I don't think the elite actually control the culture. To a large degree, the culture controls the (external behavior of) the elite. They have to appear to be everything they're supposed to be. So they give verbal agreement to single motherhood, unmarried cohabitation, and so on, so that the culture doesn't condemn them. But for themselves,…

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by djbusby »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #171
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #157

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Most doctors refuse to perform sterilization procedures on young people, at least until after they have had children. After all, what if they change their minds? My girlfriend couldn’t get hers done until she was over 30.

This is a topic near and dear to my heart, because unwanted children leads to enormous suffering (which I have seen up close as a volunteer Guardian ad Litem, a legal advocate for children in the system). A recent thread on the topic of unwanted children at scale [1]. So I bought and operate a domain which points to the r/childfree subreddit wiki list of doctors [2] who will provide permanent birth control to people…

I think it would be cool to know your main digital property or some other way to connect - so folk who want to help could reach out.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by anal_reactor »

quacked wrote: post #99

Many have not yet squared up to the fact that society itself is an unprofitable boondoggle that requires massive moral radicalization and willingness to participate in odd, polarizing institutions and practices. We live inside the semi-decayed skeleton of a society built by deeply religious people who believed that society should be built and maintained because that is the moral thing to do . They weren't only motiva…

> Take away the glory and meaning from the basic acts of living among your peers and you will end up with large swaths of people who do enough to get by, and not much more.

This is exactly how I feel. Sure, my life is comfortable, but at the same time it's so small and pointless, which leaves me completely unmotivated. Why do anything if nothing matters.

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Post by beaglesss »

c22 wrote: post #224
inglor_cz wrote: post #178

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NIMBY seems to be one of the intrinsic faults of democracy. Some people really don't like any change happening around them, and, once empowered, will go to great lengths to stop anything from happening. This is probably something that democratic states need to address by reducing such empowerment. Much like your neighbor cannot tell you what to cook for dinner - even if he is a vegetarian and hates the smell of meat…

Wtf? If all of your neighbors don't like the smell of meat they absolutely can tell you not to cook it. That's what democracy is. Don't like it? Be a king.

Yes. Democracy is a gang-rape. Better than most systems although I think maybe Hoppe was right. .

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Post by philwelch »

neilv wrote: post #8
lenerdenator wrote: post #2

We didn't want young men to do anything. We wanted ever-increasing returns for shareholders, and that meant moving factories (where these young men's grandfathers were working 60 years ago) overseas while doing nothing on the whole to retrain the workforce. We got the shareholder returns. Too bad that can't buy a functional society for people born after 1980.

Also: Nobody in a village should take up 2 houses for themself. But some can, and can even take up 100 houses... so long as the other villagers are fighting amongst themselves, over whether their house should be larger than that of their neighbor. Turns out most of their problems are arguably traceable back to those people with 100+ houses each. Which would be glaringly suspicious to an outside observer. But the vill…

How do you imagine villages actually worked? An extremely common way was that the entire village would be owned by one man who would collect rent from all of the villagers.

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Post by tomcar288 »

mock-possum wrote: post #259
pwthornton wrote: post #223

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I got mine done at 37, after having two kids, and they still asked me if I was sure. I can see why you'd be hesitant to do it on a 22-year-old. If you asked me at 22, I'd probably say I don't want kids. But I completely changed my mind as I approached 30.' Also, vasectomies are less reversible than people think.

Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids already who need a parent or two.

the reality is, most kids you can adopt are severely messed up, due to drug use of parents or poor eating/nutrition of parents.

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Post by gruez »

feedforward wrote: post #121
gruez wrote: post #51

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>Gen Z are the richest generation in all of American history on a per-capita real income basis, compared to older generations when they were the same age. source: https://www.economist.com/img/b/608/739/90/media-assets/imag...

> per-capita Anyone looking at this chart can see the asterisk in it - adjusted by household size This is not a per capita income chart. It even says it is not in the chart. More of Generation Z lives at home in their 20s than baby boomers, so the income of their household is higher. They can't afford a house or even rent, and live with their parents, meaning a richer household, and are said to be richer. This was di…

If you looked at the source paper, they do the same analysis on "couple sharing unit", which doesn't have this problem. Confusingly, their definition of "couple" also includes singles, so genZ getting married later or whatever isn't an issue either.

>Subsequent references in this paper to couple incomes always refer to the income of the individual alone if single, and the equal-split income of the individual and their spouse if married.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/files/2024007pap...

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by pwthornton »

kelipso wrote: post #282
mock-possum wrote: post #259

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Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids already who need a parent or two.

Pretty sure adoption is very difficult nowadays. Also people do change their minds about having their biologically own kids.

It's difficult and expensive, and my wife and I have no issues conceiving. Why make it even more competitive for people who can't conceive?
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