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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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satvikpendem wrote: post #290
Marsymars wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I misspoke, the market value is different, but the actual, objectively measurable value to the company is not. That we're not in a socialist society is exactly the reason for any inherent exploitation. And like, I'm saying this as a pretty gung-ho capitalist.

Exploitation has a specific definition in socialist circles, one that many capitalists reject as being misleading at best and malicious at worst. Since we are not in a socialist society, we cannot use their definition of the term, which is what I'm saying you're using. Yes, there can be other types of exploitation in a capitalist society, but the one you're talking about is getting paid "unfair" wages when the only "…

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by sureIy »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #260
sureIy wrote: post #198

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It can go both ways. Pros of Expedia: - they have my card - their website does not suck as much as the airline’s - they let me cancel within 24/48 hours for free and immediately The second point can be a huge selling point and it applies to a lot of OTAs. Every time I try to book direct “because it’s best” I easily spend triple the time and sometimes I get fleeced anyway (oh, here’s a $5 convenience fee for using a c…

> Every time I try to book direct “because it’s best” I easily spend triple the time I have a similar experience. As a result, I have not booked a flight directly on the carrier's website in years . Do only suckers use the carrier's website now, because the prices and/or service are always worse? Sigh.

I still try to book direct because I (uh) enjoy opening 10 sites/apps at once and comparing the prices and getting the last dollar, but yeah if you value time more than money, booking direct is not a great idea.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by silexia »

arghwhat wrote: post #22

> A jury in the District Court of Delaware unanimously found that Booking.com violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse act and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said I imagine this is limited to a scenario where you: 1. Act as a middle-man for the transaction (as this lawsuit was about resale), 2. Interfere with pricing o…

Why does anyone still do business in Delaware after the ridiculous court judgement against Elon and now this?

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by chx »

satvikpendem wrote: post #290
Marsymars wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I misspoke, the market value is different, but the actual, objectively measurable value to the company is not. That we're not in a socialist society is exactly the reason for any inherent exploitation. And like, I'm saying this as a pretty gung-ho capitalist.

Exploitation has a specific definition in socialist circles, one that many capitalists reject as being misleading at best and malicious at worst. Since we are not in a socialist society, we cannot use their definition of the term, which is what I'm saying you're using. Yes, there can be other types of exploitation in a capitalist society, but the one you're talking about is getting paid "unfair" wages when the only "…

"people in a LCoL area may be happy to take a lower wage than a HCoL person, they would not feel exploited due to that."

good to know

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by smus »

SoftTalker wrote: post #96
arghwhat wrote: post #22

> A jury in the District Court of Delaware unanimously found that Booking.com violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse act and that it had induced a third party to access parts of Ryanair's website without authorisation "with an intent to defraud," the verdict said I imagine this is limited to a scenario where you: 1. Act as a middle-man for the transaction (as this lawsuit was about resale), 2. Interfere with pricing o…

We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then.

nowadays air travel is completely unregulated, famously

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by [deleted] »

mschuster91 wrote: post #281
inopinatus wrote: post #234

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> Why should anyone ... be restricted from buying something and then re-selling it to another person because: > flight tickets usually are not a scarce commodity Airline tickets are not a commodity , full stop. They form a contract for a service between the airline and the customer. They're not a bag of fucking apples. Travel agents, when arranging air fares, are agents in the legal sense ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

> Airline tickets are not a commodity, full stop. Why are they not? It's not like there are any airlines beyond oil sheikh owned ones that actually deliver customer service. The only reasonable choice a customer may have is to choose between operators that fly Boeing deathtraps or not. The commodity is getting transported from A to B, getting treated like shit including getting groped by TSA or its equivalent, and no…

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by com »

ytwySXpMbS wrote: post #67
com wrote: post #52

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Just for rail, I quite like trainline.com. It tries to hide the madness that is very poor national/private rail service and their ticketing regimes, but really there’s only so much you can do, so often I get two or more tickets for legs of travel, some of which change as I remain on the same train?!?

I use Railboard, exactly like trainline but without the booking fee as it's made by national rail

Just a quick follow up, I haven’t been able to find Railboard pricing in the UK that is more than 1p cheaper than Trainline, so I’ll probably stick with the latter, which also offers pan-European ticketing, which is fairly important to me.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by fennecbutt »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #134
arghwhat wrote: post #119

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And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

Flying budget air carriers is already so incredibly cheap in the EU. It is cheaper to fly from Belfast to London, than it is to fly Houston to Austin (half the distance) or Houston to New Orleans (roughly the same distance). I wish the US could figure that out.

I wish this wasn't the case. Lack of tax on jet fuel and massive taxpayer funded subsidies for airlines is why a flight is £20 and rail is like £100. It's just ridiculous. But people like their cheap flights so they won't vote to not destroy the planet.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by bald42 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #193
arghwhat wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

Can you cite examples of any industry or niche , anywhere in the world, that was newly regulated, and once regulation tool place, prices materially dropped? Geniuinely curious.

Phone roaming in EU. You pay your normal home fares now for voice/data instead of the former massive roaming surcharges.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by inopinatus »

mschuster91 wrote: post #281
inopinatus wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why should anyone ... be restricted from buying something and then re-selling it to another person because: > flight tickets usually are not a scarce commodity Airline tickets are not a commodity , full stop. They form a contract for a service between the airline and the customer. They're not a bag of fucking apples. Travel agents, when arranging air fares, are agents in the legal sense ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

> Airline tickets are not a commodity, full stop. Why are they not? It's not like there are any airlines beyond oil sheikh owned ones that actually deliver customer service. The only reasonable choice a customer may have is to choose between operators that fly Boeing deathtraps or not. The commodity is getting transported from A to B, getting treated like shit including getting groped by TSA or its equivalent, and no…

Setting aside the parts of this question that sound like bitter personal experiences, the simple answer is that commodities are traded on commodity markets. If one doesn’t exist, it’s because no-one has figured out how. In this case it’ll be because bookings aren’t fungible and the services not identical.
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