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Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by throw10920 »

geysersam wrote: post #290
throw10920 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accusations of sexism, especially false ones, are categorically inappropriate for HN. Please never do this again.

Sexist? That was not my intention. I meant misantripic in the sense of: > 2: marked by a hatred or contempt for humankind The moral corruption he saw around him made him misanthropic. Also I didn't mean the commenter was misanthropic, but that the view they held would fit a misanthropic authors novel as part of their satire. Maybe you thought I wrote "misogynistic"?

You're right, I confused "misanthropic" and "misogynistic".

That turns out to not make your comment any less incorrect or manipulative, though. Requiring people to pay for the stuff they consume isn't even remotely misanthropic.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by kjkjadksj »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #283
zer00eyz wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese cars? really? They are at best a hazard. The Chinese government dumped tons of money into every one of those cars, they are being sold at a loss. Not because it's good for any one, rather because china fucked up. Every single one of those cars is a state funded fire hazard about to go on the road. EDITL: cause looking up data is hard apparently: western data: https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/elec…

The problem is the wheels fall off in a fender bender and there's only a 50% chance the airbags will deploy when needed.

So its at least as good as Chrysler.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by Ekaros »

nanovision wrote: post #199

This is sad. If this was indeed copyright infringement, what was the rationale behind the Internet Archive initially adding these books? The Internet Archive has never been a pirate site, so there must have been some logic or justification for indexing these books.

It is a pirate site... I think in the end they are just enabled data hoarders who will hoard nearly everything... Including stuff nearly everyone would consider as piracy.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by smokel »

incompatible wrote: post #255
Aurornis wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. It’s interesting how this comment veers into a completely hypothetical overhaul of society in which money doesn’t matter, for reasons which of course are hand-waved away. On one hand: Sure! Sounds great! If someone can reinvent all of society in a way that everyone is free to do whatever they want and not worry about getting…

Why should we turn information into a "product", introducing scarcity where none is required? It's just a misguided attempted to force every part of society into a capitalist system, regardless of whether it makes any sense. It will probably fail in the long run anyway, since who wants to pay for something that they can get for free, even it involves circumventing the rules. How many here would pay $30 to take a casu…

All information is freely available somewhere in /dev/random. It is worth some value to share the more interesting offsets.

Now I'm not saying that capitalism is the best way to distribute this value, but at least some effort is required in curating all knowledge.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by WalterBright »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

> I can imagine is one where every community owns and controls the means of production upon which they depend for their survival. In such an economic system, the need for automation would be obvious and once implemented, all people would receive the benefits of automation. This would include such a wide allowance for leisure and free time that authors would no longer need to restrict access to their books to extract profits from their value their shared knowledge creates. All people would be free to do what they will.

This has been imagined many times. It's called Marxism. It's been tried, too, innumerable times. But the anticipated utopia never happened, and the people were far worse off than for-profit free markets.

However, the idea of "intellectual property" is a pure invention. There's zero evidence that IP laws actually promote the creation and distribution of creative works. But there is evidence that the free flow of ideas enhances prosperity.

I assert this as a person who made his living creating IP.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by mlyle »

garciasn wrote: post #266
Wistar wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The jury convicted Dallman, Courson, Garcia, Jaurequi, and Huber of conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement.” This was just today. Deadline: “Operators Of Jetflicks, An Illegal Streaming Service With A Catalog Larger Than Netflix, Prime Video And Hulu Put Together, Convicted By Federal Jury” https://deadline.com/2024/06/jetflicks-illegal-streaming-ser...

We’re specifically talking about singing Happy Birthday in public, not offering 182,000 titles ripped from mainstream networks and other streaming services and then charging $9.99 to $19.99/month and making millions.

> We’re specifically talking about singing Happy Birthday in public

> > > Who's been jailed for singing Happy Birthday? How many people have been jailed for copyright violations at all?

Note the second sentence which brought the wider topic into discussion.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by geysersam »

throw10920 wrote: post #291
geysersam wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sexist? That was not my intention. I meant misantripic in the sense of: > 2: marked by a hatred or contempt for humankind The moral corruption he saw around him made him misanthropic. Also I didn't mean the commenter was misanthropic, but that the view they held would fit a misanthropic authors novel as part of their satire. Maybe you thought I wrote "misogynistic"?

You're right, I confused "misanthropic" and "misogynistic". That turns out to not make your comment any less incorrect or manipulative, though. Requiring people to pay for the stuff they consume isn't even remotely misanthropic.

Didn't mean that either. I meant that saying the entire book industry is a waste not worth tax money, implying other uses of taxes like military spending is more valuable, is something that could have been said by a fictional character conjured by a person who thinks lowly of humankind.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by WalterBright »

ryandrake wrote: post #80
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #25

There is no greater folly of contemporary human society than the purposeful restriction of such vast and easily shareable repositories of knowledge. Perhaps these schemes made sense in the past but with the advent of the internet and independent groups willing to fund all hosting fees, we should move to models of publishing that do not require this restriction of information. Library genesis exists but necessarily mu…

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, pure…

> they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, purely to maintain existing economic power structures.

Your idea has been tried over and over. It just makes things worse, far worse.

Re: Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publishers' court win

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Post by WalterBright »

deaddodo wrote: post #194
ryandrake wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe in hundreds, maybe thousands of years, after humanity has finally evolved past our current monkey mentality, future historians will look back at this time period in awe: "They had the technology to make the sum of all human knowledge available to everyone... And they blew it! Further, they had the means to feed everyone, clothe everyone, house everyone, but they just walked away in the other direction, pure…

> If Star Trek Replicators were invented today, we're so stupid we'd outlaw them. You're so optimistic to think the law would even be this fair. More like limit access to corporations as "the only custodians responsible enough to wield them", while still allowing the developing world to starve and further increasing their profit margins simultaneously to decreasing working wages and employment levels.

You cannot make money off of people who are starving.
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