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Re: Lynn Conway has died

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You're using the word sex. There is a known, massively complex, relationship between sex and gender but it's not 1:1. For anyone. Or, if you think that's not true, then please describe to me how they're identical. In a group of men, in any place in the world, you'll find wildly varying accounts of what the male gender "is" all the way down to how their bodies should look. And, gender aside, the most important thing t…

> There is a known, massively complex, relationship between sex and gender but it's not 1:1 You could argue though that it's only complex because we (collectively) decided to complicate it in order to accommodate the preferences of small subsets of society. In some other country, society might collectively decide not to accommodate said wishes and instead treat sex and gender as immutable and indistinguishable. Such…

The classification you've described is not valid for use with Homo sapiens, neither today nor in the future. It's based on the assumption that our genes control our organs, when they're merely a weighted suggestion at best. And, the Y chromosome is gradually withering away in humankind and is expected to disappear someday. Human beings can develop fertile male reproductive organs without it (see below), and evolution abhors exceptions that have no benefit and many drawbacks (such as colorblindness).

> a simpler classification system: XX = female, XY = male

This would, as with all other such systems that refer to X/Y chromosomes, be invalidated immediately upon contact with reality. I estimate that a couple million people worldwide have one set of fertile reproductive organs that do not match the binary view described – that is: men without, and women with, a Y chromosome.

> it's only complex because we (collectively) decided to complicate it in order to accommodate the preferences of small subsets of society

None of these people selected a "preference" at birth, and may go their entire lives and have children without ever realizing that their chromosomes and their reproductive organs do not match the XX/XY binary you've presented.

> anything else = unclassified (genetic defect handled on a case-by-case basis)

This would mislabel XXX, XXY, XYY people as "defects" for genetic circumstances that do not necessarily have any visible presentation, that people may not be aware of at all.

It also mislabel some, but not all, intersex people as "defects". Intersex people span the entire spectrum of known chromosome combinations in human beings: Human bodies produce one or more sets of (often) fertile reproductive equipment regardless of what chromosomes are or are not present.

Ironically, then, focusing on XX/XY classifications while disregarding the realities of human biology always results in an invalid classification system that is more likely to harm cis people than intersex people.

Re: Lynn Conway has died

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One of the world's most inspiring people. I had the privilege of getting to know her to write a profile for a University of Michigan alumni magazine more than a decade ago: https://news.engin.umich.edu/2014/10/life-engineered/

My favorite thing she said was "Why not question everything?" It stuck with me ever since.

Reminds me of this classic: https://x.com/pickover/status/1536108795901972480

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Is it an impression , or are computer people overly represented amongst trans people ? Maybe working with computers provides a better environment for people with social-related issues ?

I wrote a Quora answer about this, based on some material I found from HN commenter "amyjess": https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-transgender-women-work-in-... To summarize: It's a combination of the culture and the way that various overlapping subcultures are viewed by society.

These kids from hackers are quite welcoming of weirdness as long as you've got the skills to hang.

https://i.imgur.com/w1mNGHZ.png

I'm not trans, but I have to imagine that sort of acceptance is the goal. I wonder the degree to which our media portrayal of hacker subculture has influenced the desire among certain demographics / subcultures to gravitate towards those jobs.

Re: Lynn Conway has died

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post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're using the word sex. There is a known, massively complex, relationship between sex and gender but it's not 1:1. For anyone. Or, if you think that's not true, then please describe to me how they're identical. In a group of men, in any place in the world, you'll find wildly varying accounts of what the male gender "is" all the way down to how their bodies should look. And, gender aside, the most important thing t…

> There is a known, massively complex, relationship between sex and gender but it's not 1:1 You could argue though that it's only complex because we (collectively) decided to complicate it in order to accommodate the preferences of small subsets of society. In some other country, society might collectively decide not to accommodate said wishes and instead treat sex and gender as immutable and indistinguishable. Such…

Prior to Mendel, sex and gender were both based on primary sex characteristics. One could argue that's an even simpler model.

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Almost everything can be discussed in an apolitical way - you just don’t talk politics. It isn’t a logic puzzle.

Yes you can decide not to mention the politics inherent in the thing but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there. I’m wondering if the person I’m replying to can produce a thing where it truly isn’t there

But you can say that about anything. There are people whose whole expertise is one area of, say, film production.

You can talk about films and critically analyze them without doing a deep dive into how props are made. It’s OK to have separate contexts.

It isn’t a “gotcha” that “everything is political” - it just doesn’t matter when trying to do most things. It’s distracting and pointless; it’s a null statement.

You can talk about anything without having to include politics the same way you can discuss literature without examining types of paper.

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>I’m afraid it’s almost impossible to divorce politics and human rights. It is, example? Nord Korea signed it, the US and Canada just ratified it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_th...

> the US and Canada just ratified it Canada ratified it years ago (if we're not counting optional protocols), but according to https://indicators.ohchr.org/ , the US hasn't. Do you have a source?

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/MTDSG/Volume%20I/Cha...

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It really doesn't help that the Wikipedia page doesn't currently appear to state the former name anywhere, like it often does for other people (like celebrities) who legally change their names at some point in their lives.

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Re: Lynn Conway has died

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"...Lynn was recently awarded the rare IBM Lifetime Achievement Award, given to individuals who have changed the world through technology inventions."

After the way they treated her, I wouldn't accept it.

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