Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems to be the case that commenters do not know that Keychain Access exists. Apple has tried various approaches of surfacing this functionality (eg the passwords panel in Safari and again in iOS’s settings app). This just seems to be the app-agnostic way of providing this functionality to everyday users, and probably a good thing as platforms move away from passwords.
No, Keychain Access is just a terrible app. It is sufficiently terrible that I'm 100% aware of its existence and instead choose to pay for a less OS-integrated, but far better app.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#293I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#294Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…
> On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. Now that many sites are moving to passkeys or TOTPs, it would be great if Apple could not lock users in there as well. > Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms That's only on Windows and requires you to install iCloud tools locally, right?
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#296Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…
Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick.
Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious.
Then some corporate machine learning algorithm decides that it's your day to have a bad year, or the screws only get tightened after you're already locked in, and the regret comes some time after the decision is made.
Whereas the nerds who can see the inside of the machine are aware that this sort of thing happens and their response is no thank you. A starkly different preference from the people paying the most attention is a troubling sign. It's the early stages of this:
The thing that gets me is that people then defend the practice because it's likely to be successful. Lots of unsophisticated people are going to put all their eggs in one basket and then have a bad time, which is a result we should be trying to prevent, not defend the people causing it because they're likely to turn a profit. Companies making money on information asymmetries and the misfortune of others is a flaw we should be looking for ways to optimize out.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#297Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is what OAuth attempts to do, and most users and devs I know like it. I'm well aware of the risks of putting all eggs into one basket. I'm already doing it with 1Pass (albeit with external MFA for some sites), so I see no difference with letting Apple manage it.
Counterpoint from an interesting source:
https://gist.github.com/nckroy/dd2d4dfc86f7d13045ad715377b6a...
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple already has an iCloud app for Windows and has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years. There is no support for Android.
> has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years Which is also only available for Windows, as far as I know.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple already has an iCloud app for Windows and has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years. There is no support for Android.
> has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years Which is also only available for Windows, as far as I know.
Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
#300Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is EXACTLY what people want. Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.