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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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> I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on the whole :/ Have you given Linux a try? Unless you have an Nvidia card or an Adobe workflow; it is usually good. The Nvidia issue may go away in a year.

What do you mean about NVIDIA? I find their drivers have become pretty good. Especially so if you're using them with containers.

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.

No thought at all. Just by default auto exclude private browser windows and password managers. No thought at all.

It's a turn of phrase; it doesn't mean literally no though at all!

On a more relevant note, how can it know when a private browser window is open in anything other than Edge? Same question with the password manager - is there going to be some new API that apps have to "opt in" to to enable Windows to recognise them?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.

What about the browser cache? And isn't there some capability in many browsers to store form field contents when navigating back/forward too?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Maybe a bit off-topic, but I sure wish they'd do this for OneDrive! I installed Windows for personal use for the first time recently (although I use it exclusively at work) and it drove me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS that my home drive was mapping to C:\Users\atribecalledqst\OneDrive. What I hated the most was that the File Explorer just calls the folders in there e.g. "Documents" and "Pictures" without showing the full path.…

Hang around kids and even though they can be pretty good at using a computer, they have no clue how the thing actually works. They don't know what a file is anymore. Everything is a shiny little icon in a shiny little magic folder.

Not trying to make this sound like a value judgment, more an observation. But it makes you wonder, what do we lose by excessive abstraction.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Dear OS writers: Internet access is not always guaranteed or reliable. Please do not assume that the cloud is a viable solution for every user. I ran into this on my phone awhile back. I knew I would be out of service for some time but had some PDFs I needed to reference. So I downloaded them to "files". Que surprise when I later go to look up a value and there's a little cloud with a down arrow button next to the PD…

This is the number one thing that annoys me about so many apps, especially apps with clear use-cases for offline use like listening to music, reading, and learning apps. I don't understand how so many app writers have never gone for a run through a canyon or flown on an airplane. I specifically pay money to SoundCloud for instance just for the "feature" to cache the music locally and somehow it regularly gets stuck c…

They just want live data on your activities and update without sync and stuff however expensive that is even for them, easier to be lazy too

Also every <35 years old person is a js/web dev, so that’s what they do on cloud

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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> Your browsing history is unlikely to contain [...] porn images Of all the places on your computer that might contain porn images, that would be one of the very top candidates.

Nope - links to porn sites (but who browses porn without Incognito Mode! :), but it's not going to contain actual images.

As far as metadata versus data, the URL of a static image automatically discloses the image itself. The only way to claim that the history doesn't actually contain the image is if you assume that the site has gone defunct.

Unless, of course, you're willing to argue that a porn image stored on the local hard drive isn't contained in any folders on the same PC that soft-link it. You might have an interesting time trying to justify why it is contained in folders that hard-link it.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Microsoft isn't filled with morons, and they knew this would be the reaction. They always planned this "retreat," and this retreat is actually an advance: if you completely missed the media tempest in a teapot, the story would be that Windows is going to embed AI into every copy that will be able to track everything that is done on the machine and make inferences from it.

Now, the story is: Microsoft has been forced to retreat, through public pressure, from tracking everything that its users do by default.

Complete success on Microsoft's part. And the public that angrily reads headlines and angrily tweeted twice, vigourously pats themselves on the back for their "victory."

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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I have a really hard time understanding the use case for something like this. Stuff that I want to remember I just write down or reference something like my browser history or recently opened files. It's very low tech for sure but it works, is waaay more energy efficient, way easier to understand and audit, and doesnt have the same security concerns. I get that using "AI" has a Wow Factor that existing systems have b…

I agree, I think the current state of the AI is absolutely incredible technology, but I just don't see a 'product' yet.

If chat and co-pilots are all we get out of this wave of investment, then I'm not sure if it's been worth it.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…

I've heard Microsoft wants to do away with on-device Windows entirely for consumer devices, and go with a "dumb client" form factor that is always connected to a remote Windows server. I'm not sure who at the org is pushing for this as it would essentially hand the PC games market to SteamOS. I suppose they saw how well it's worked for enterprise customers that essentially already use a Windows VM through Citrix or s…

It's because there's a huge cloud first push internally. Leadership is trying to find any way they can find to leverage Azure and recurring revenue.
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