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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by throw0101d »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #254
yreg wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the freemium + subscription model usually works so much better money-wise that it's difficult to justify publishing a simple paid app with upfront cost.

I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm not a video editor so I can't speak to that but here's one example: Most calorie counting apps want ~16AUD a month from me. That's what Disney+ costs and they spend billions of dollars making content. It's 3$ more than Spotify charges and they have almost every song ever made. It doesn't have to be free, or even a one-off cost, but it ha…

> I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable.

I'm fine with it if includes some monthly re-occurring service, like cloud storage/sync.

I purchased YNAB4 and I ran it just fine on my desktop. But YNAB5 went to subscription, and it included things like syncing multiple devices (which of course needs servers, which cost), but I have no need for that, and so I did not move to it. I'd much prefer I pay some one-time fee, and if I want syncing I can subscribe to just that.

I also understand that if I pay $x for Version Y, then if I want Version Z there may be an upgrade fee.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by ryandrake »

throw0101d wrote: post #291
ClassyJacket wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm not a video editor so I can't speak to that but here's one example: Most calorie counting apps want ~16AUD a month from me. That's what Disney+ costs and they spend billions of dollars making content. It's 3$ more than Spotify charges and they have almost every song ever made. It doesn't have to be free, or even a one-off cost, but it ha…

> I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm fine with it if includes some monthly re-occurring service, like cloud storage/sync. I purchased YNAB4 and I ran it just fine on my desktop. But YNAB5 went to subscription, and it included things like syncing multiple devices (which of course needs servers, which cost), but I have no need for that, and so I did not move to it. I'd much…

> I'm fine with it if includes some monthly re-occurring service, like cloud storage/sync.

What sucks is when the developer adds some recurring service to their software that I don't want, purely as an excuse to justify moving to subscription, and then no longer offers the software without the "service" for a one-time price.

For most of the software I use, I specifically don't want to be tethered to some kind of online service, have to have a network connection to run it, and so on. And I'll actively look for the competing software that's a one-time cost and isn't Cloud-ified.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by yreg »

sundvor wrote: post #269
ClassyJacket wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm not a video editor so I can't speak to that but here's one example: Most calorie counting apps want ~16AUD a month from me. That's what Disney+ costs and they spend billions of dollars making content. It's 3$ more than Spotify charges and they have almost every song ever made. It doesn't have to be free, or even a one-off cost, but it ha…

Yeah, thanks for reminding me - cancelling MyFitnessPal trial - it's 130 AUD for a year, way more on a monthly basis. There are some apps in this genre that are absolutely insane - $300 or so for an AI image analyser, which you have no way to try unless you sign up for a trial where you are committed to that amount unless you remember to cancel.

I have an app and I'm trying to figure out the pricing.

I’m offering a one-time in app purchase of life-time subscription. Currently it costs 6x the monthly subscription cost.

I'm worried that makes it too expensive for a simple app, at the same time lowering it would make the monthly subscription less sensible.

I'm curious if anyone has indie experience and thoughts regarding this.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by gregoriol »

stefandesu wrote: post #270
selectodude wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Halide has a lifetime IAP for $60 in there.

Which was an about 10x increase from the original price. Sure, it was definitely underpriced back then, but it was still a... let's say bold move.

I think I've read that the current price for Kino is "launch price" and will be higher in a few days

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by jsjohnst »

augustohp wrote: post #236
zamadatix wrote: post #185

I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

They did the same thing with Hallide. Give enough time (1-2y) and they will charge a subscription from you and lock you away from the app you've purchased.

I’ve been a Halide customer since the first week it was released. I’ve gotten numerous updates since and not been locked out of anything available when I purchased (and including many new things since too) without having to pay another dime. In fact, the app has never even mentioned the option to subscribe, I only learned of that option via this thread and found it buried deep in settings. I value their work, so I’ll now pay as I heavily use the app (among other of their products), but to say I’ve been forced to and/or “locked out” is dare I say grossly inaccurate at best.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by joshspankit »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #254
yreg wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the freemium + subscription model usually works so much better money-wise that it's difficult to justify publishing a simple paid app with upfront cost.

I'm totally fine with subscription apps, but the price has to be reasonable. I'm not a video editor so I can't speak to that but here's one example: Most calorie counting apps want ~16AUD a month from me. That's what Disney+ costs and they spend billions of dollars making content. It's 3$ more than Spotify charges and they have almost every song ever made. It doesn't have to be free, or even a one-off cost, but it ha…

One of my most-used apps is $2/yr and I’m very happy about it

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by jsjohnst »

sandofsky wrote: post #288
augustohp wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did the same thing with Hallide. Give enough time (1-2y) and they will charge a subscription from you and lock you away from the app you've purchased.

We have never, ever locked away Halide from people who already purchased it. If you bought Halide 1.0 in 2017, you can still use it today, with all the features you bought, without paying another penny.

Personally, for the tiny amount I paid back in 2017 for the app, $59.99 one time now is cheap to me. That’s under $1/month over that time which is well worth it to me. If I got “locked out” if I stopped paying, then I’d feel different, but that isn’t the case so keep up the good work!

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by spikey_sanju »

I bought the app right away when I saw it. I wanted it for its color editing feature. The app is nice and easy to use, and I didn't have any problems with it.

But when I started recording, the app crashed. It crashed again. It crashed again. It crashes while I'm still recording. This was very frustrating for me.

P.S –– I use iPhone 13

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by drittich »

wilg wrote: post #247
wraptile wrote: post #245

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Nah all software should be multi platform if possible. Locking programs in to some specific brand is just silly and you don't even need to be a open software extremist to acknowledge that. Also not mentioning the platform anywhere in the title or even article body itself is inheritly deceiving.

I think its okay for people not to do twice the work to support a type of phone they don't care about or use. Who is this deceiving? You figured it out, clearly. I think you're more mad than reasonable here.

While your original comment might be taken as funny, this one quickly devolved into a strawman argument ending in a personal attack. Was that your intention?

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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Post by temporallobe »

I purchased the app! I love the MF, and the grades look great. Can I make a feature request? One thing I have never seen on a camera app is a “record pause” button, like we used to have on old school video cameras (on pressing, it pauses the recording then continues when you press again, making seamless cuts in a single scene). IMO that would make this a killer app.
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