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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by juleiie »

ralfn wrote: post #24
Terr_ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But what if I don't want my own computer to build and share a detailed profile of everyone I know, everywhere I go, all my preferences, and how to manipulate me?" "Well obviously it's your fault for not picking the 'Don't Be Cool' option on subpage 27b-6, duh !"

Yeah. It's victim blaming. Reminds me of "they should have shouted louder". The confusing thing is the crime itself is small on an individual level. The question is: does it add up cumulatively if a small crime is committed against many?

A small crime can result in massive power. Knowledge is power.

Barring the ethics you can single handedly use such data to manipulate stock market, countries etc.

It’s just too much power

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by mrmetanoia »

tommiegannert wrote: post #285
lolinder wrote: post #282

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> we don't even know what number, we just get the total number of visits for each website, not who visited it This is not what a clickstream is. A clickstream requires that the sequence of clicks be preserved, and preserving that sequence undermines anonymity.

It can be pseudonymous. It doesn't have to undermine anonymity. Google researchers spend time ensuring k-anonymity (for reasonably large k) when using data.

Forgive my language but I'd expect people here to understand that's horeshit, they absolutely have enough data and patterning to de-anonymize the data. They spent time making it look anonymous.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by [deleted] »

eitland wrote: post #287
p3rls wrote: post #257

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Lol, it's just complete bullshit marketing on that page. But I do find it fascinating how they obfuscate what is actually happening behind the scenes and cannot come out and clearly say how their technology works, or that they are using google's index. >Kagi is known for delivering a unique flavor of high-quality search results, sourced from our own web index (internally named "Teclis") and news index (internally nam…

> But here on the ground, I can type a few queries and reveal that Kagi is the same shit as Google. Here on the ground in Norway I just say "lucky you" if Google serves the same results as Kagi. My experience is Google expands my search terms beyond recognition and I am absolutely and utterly fed up with starting to read an article about a problem I searched for, getting a result from a trustworthy site, starting to…

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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by p3rls »

eitland wrote: post #287
p3rls wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, it's just complete bullshit marketing on that page. But I do find it fascinating how they obfuscate what is actually happening behind the scenes and cannot come out and clearly say how their technology works, or that they are using google's index. >Kagi is known for delivering a unique flavor of high-quality search results, sourced from our own web index (internally named "Teclis") and news index (internally nam…

> But here on the ground, I can type a few queries and reveal that Kagi is the same shit as Google. Here on the ground in Norway I just say "lucky you" if Google serves the same results as Kagi. My experience is Google expands my search terms beyond recognition and I am absolutely and utterly fed up with starting to read an article about a problem I searched for, getting a result from a trustworthy site, starting to…

Why do Kagi supporters keep insisting I am supporting Google? I save all my best vituperative comments for how Google has destroyed the internet.

I am only saying Kagi is just as shitty as Google for my queries and certainly is using their index based off the 30 or so searches I made. I am not in a technical niche however, so maybe they're using something different for that or you saw a manually-adjusted query?

But for the regular, everyday people queries, yeah 100% it's just google bro.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

metadigm wrote: post #74
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #3

And that's why if a developer doesn't use Firefox and uses Chrome, they are just helping a monopoly take over everything and make a mess.

As soon as they add the ability to configure shortcuts, I'd more than happy to. After several years of requests, we're finally seeing some movement on their end.

I hear you. But at the same time our duty on this planet as developers is to take one for the team when it comes to minor issues like this, which I am assuming this is for you. Otherwise the world will be consumed in the flame of the monopoly which others do not care about who do not understand browser engines.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by sanroot99 »

harry8 wrote: post #274
phone8675309 wrote: post #197

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SEO is vandalism and I one day hope the majority of Internet users see that

SEO is just another form of advertising, with all the costs, benefits and externalities of any other form.

I had experience working with seo specialist, most of people in seo are there because good money is paid by startups to bring there site organic traffic by whatever black hat seo method, seo stands a good marketing tool for these startups.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by tommiegannert »

mrmetanoia wrote: post #292
tommiegannert wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be pseudonymous. It doesn't have to undermine anonymity. Google researchers spend time ensuring k-anonymity (for reasonably large k) when using data.

Forgive my language but I'd expect people here to understand that's horeshit, they absolutely have enough data and patterning to de-anonymize the data. They spent time making it look anonymous.

GP explained what a click stream is and said that preserving click sequences undermines anonymity. De-anonymization is not a conclusion you can draw from only mentioning "click stream."

De-anonymization would require linking that click stream with something that identifies the user, rather than the click stream. Perhaps that exists, perhaps not. GP didn't provide enough material to go that far.

Exactly because Google has these powers is why they have internal processes to avoid it. Of course there are products that use non-anonymous data, but this idea that everything at Google flows around with user-IDs for everyone to use and abuse is a weird stance. Google has a lot of internal auditing and validation systems when e.g. reading logs and doing feature extraction.

But I also got way more respect for Google's internal systems after I worked there than before, so I understand your scepticism.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #280
voltaireodactyl wrote: post #276

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The obvious response being that counting cars on the highway is a necessary first step on the road to identifying and then tracking their movements. Similar to how insurance companies have offered voluntary, “anonymized” data dongles for discounts that are now being used (or at least revealed to be used) to collect data most often used to reject claims.

Agriculture is a necessary first step toward a dystopian society, so clearly we should ban agriculture. The logic does not follow. "A is required for B, B is bad, so A is bad" is not logically valid.

I absolutely agree — my statement was merely one of fact; to get to point B, one must first achieve point A.

Much like inventing the wheel (positive) is a necessary precursor to both ambulances/fire fighting (also positive), as well as DUIs (less positive).

The larger point being simply that I find it somewhat disingenuous for those of us who consider it our job to think through problems from many angles to pretend we’re somehow unable to imagine the potential unfortunate consequences arising from our work, given the existing Powers That Be (meaning both entities and trends).

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by brokenmachine »

dmitrygr wrote: post #269
brokenmachine wrote: post #264

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Not sure where the list of parts is, but I've ordered PCBs using Firefox.

I used to as well, sometimes it works and sometimes nothing on the page is clickable. New FF profile does not help, chrome works every time and their support has told me many times "we only chrome support sir"

At least they're polite about it. :-)

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by phone8675309 »

harry8 wrote: post #274
phone8675309 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SEO is vandalism and I one day hope the majority of Internet users see that

SEO is just another form of advertising, with all the costs, benefits and externalities of any other form.

Advertising is also vandalism
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