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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by mvkel »

int_19h wrote: post #175
mvkel wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catching up right now is not a matter of tech innovation, but raw energy and compute. Of course, the next -revolution- in AI could very well come from Ilya. But why would he bestow that honor to anyone? He can self fund it if he wants. It's an R&D project, not a scaling problem.

If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?

Because their weakness is in focus and execution, not resources.

If they focused all of their energy on, simply, a frontier AI model, and not trying to shoehorn a half-complete model into all of their products, there is no doubt they would be ahead.

But this is the innovator's dilemma, and why it is that startups are the disruptors.

Big companies move slow and lack focus. Small companies move fast and can only focus on one thing.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #197
int_19h wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?

probably because they have identified (correctly) that slowly integrating AI into their existing products that make them hundreds of billions is smarter than just burning that money to get upvoted on HN. Tall trees catch too much wind, ancient Chinese proverb. If you can afford to being second is usually less painful than being first.

There are clear advantages and disadvantages to that approach, but assuming this is the correct choice ( seems plausible, but I am not automatically convinced ), is that the actual reason for being as behind as they are?

I would argue that is not the case. I won't re-list some of the reasons other posters mentioned, which, based on past year, appear more likely ( decisions hamstrung by corporate committees, data governance bureaucracy, and last, but not least, ideology focus ). Leadership that is actually focused on 'delivering value to the shareholder' or not being worried about first mover advantage seems only a part of it.

edit: added first mover wording

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by twobitshifter »

paxys wrote: post #246

Why does everyone here think that the guy who quit/lost his job at OpenAI because he didn't agree with their corporate shift and departure from the original non-profit vision is going to be lining up for another big corporate job building closed for-profit AI?

I am hoping he goes open source or to Meta

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Post by VirusNewbie »

renewiltord wrote: post #255
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #181

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That was literally me at Google

Yeah, that’s Google’s reputation. Probably the most famous retirement home in the Bay.

but it's not true. Most people work a lot at G. Maybe some teams in search coast or something. But for every slacker I know 8 people who stay late a fair bit.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #204
djbusby wrote: post #176

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Sorry, which elephant?

That this was an employee who conspired against him in a failed palace coup

I think calling it a "palace coup" gives it an inappropriate framing of what happened.

I definitely think that how the board handled the situation was very inept, and I think the naivety over the blowback they would receive was one of the most surprising things for me. But after reading more about the details of what happened, and particularly writings and interviews given by the former board members, I don't think any of them did this out of any particular lust for power, or even as some sort of payback for a grudge. It seemed like all of them had real, valid concerns over Sam's leadership. Did those concerns warrant Sam's firing? From what I've read, I'm of the opinion they didn't, but obviously as just some rando on the Internet, what do I know. But I do think that there were substantive issues in question, and calling it a "palace coup" diminishes these valid concerns in my mind.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by informal007 »

ren_engineer wrote: post #18

seemed inevitable after that ouster attempt, probably just working out the details of the exit. But the day after their new features release announcement?

People will pay relatively less attention on the leaving when announcement after new feature release than other any time.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by ignoramous »

reducesuffering wrote: post #278
ignoramous wrote: post #161

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Elon Musk and Larry Page broke their friendship over Ilya's move from Google to OpenAI. There's more than just cult around a personality here, when two of the most powerful people in tech, who are also friends, go to war over you.

I don't believe it was that. I thought Elon most recently said it was Page calling Elon a "speciesist" when Elon cared that humans need to still exist, while Page is of the e/acc bit that AI's are our successors and the most competitive between them and us should go on.

You miss remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nORLckDnmg&t=75

mirror: https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/7nORLckDnmg (1m 15s)

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by mvkel »

bmitc wrote: post #207
mvkel wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catching up right now is not a matter of tech innovation, but raw energy and compute. Of course, the next -revolution- in AI could very well come from Ilya. But why would he bestow that honor to anyone? He can self fund it if he wants. It's an R&D project, not a scaling problem.

> Catching up right now is not a matter of tech innovation, but raw energy and compute. I don't really understand that. ChatGPT is not all that impressive as an actual tool for many things. It doesn't really seem to matter to me what energy and compute is going into it. Will it make it actually work?

If you consider the best frontier LLM in the world "not that impressive," I'm curious to know what you think is
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