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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by IncreasePosts »

wbl wrote: post #288
IncreasePosts wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should be able to describe the sound differences if the music is that distinct.

Go listen to Straight Otta Compton and then Vanilla Ice and you'll get it. Or for Swing Count Basie vs. the slicker more commercial Glenn Miller but it's subtle. And then Coltrane and Orman and Davis come and change the whole jazz world.

I didn't ask for examples, I'm familiar with what race these artists are.

My point is if the music actually is so different, it should be noticable and describable without knowing the race of a particular artist. So how would you describe the black music that describes only black musicians but not white musicians from this period, and vice versa.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by alickz »

bigthymer wrote: post #132
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #106

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

I think we have the same taste from the 2000s on. If you had to recommend one artist\track I probably haven't heard of yet, which would it be?

"ambient, techno and IDM" is a broad bucket but my favourite noname I found post 2010s is a greek sampler going by Moderator

Closer to trip-hop maybe but has elements of ambient and some dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX1SpTUdZQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MjAGr09yWo

https://moderator.bandcamp.com/album/sinners-syndrome-2

If you're more into the techno / IDM side then maybe you'll like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMGkis0E2r8

it's the dustiest deep house track i've found in a decade

also this one makes me nostalgic for 90s rave scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZ2s1BrLHI

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by nostrademons »

ericwood wrote: post #228
thenewwazoo wrote: post #222

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You’ve described Pandora.

It’s been a decade at least since I heavily used Pandora but I remember it being even worse than Spotify at this. The algorithm seemed to latch on to one or two tracks from any given artist and they’d continue popping up no matter how I trained it. Great as a discovery tool for artists I guess, but as endless radio Spotify does a way better job at least trying to reach into back catalogs and including more than one o…

You can ban a particular song from appearing on a Pandora station. I've found this to be an effective way to get out of song ruts. The algorithm does have a tendency to replay certain songs more than is warranted, but if you get rid of them it recovers into a state with a decent amount of variety.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by acdha »

tzs wrote: post #166

For people in their mid-30s and beyond I think a big factor in them commonly perceiving that today's popular music sucks compared to the popular music of their teens and twenties is that when they listen to music from their younger days now it is a small subset of what they were actually listening to back then. For example my teens and twenties were in the '70s and '80s. If I decide I want to listen to music from tho…

> it is a small subset of what they were actually listening to back then.

I think there was also more variation on that than there is now. Music cost a fair amount of money to buy so what you heard as a kid depended on what people around you were spending hundreds of dollars on, and radio stations were far more diverse in the era before ClearChannel bought everything and consolidated onto a handful of choices. My wife and I had relatively similar suburban upbringings in many ways but there are a ton of 80s and 90s bands I was more familiar with because I happened to live within range of two different college radio stations at different points, and she basically had only very big commercial options.

There’s still variety these days but I think it’s undercut a lot because every teenager with a smartphone has access to pretty much anything, and the social media pressure to like the big names has never been stronger.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Pannoniae »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #291
wbl wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go listen to Straight Otta Compton and then Vanilla Ice and you'll get it. Or for Swing Count Basie vs. the slicker more commercial Glenn Miller but it's subtle. And then Coltrane and Orman and Davis come and change the whole jazz world.

I didn't ask for examples, I'm familiar with what race these artists are. My point is if the music actually is so different, it should be noticable and describable without knowing the race of a particular artist. So how would you describe the black music that describes only black musicians but not white musicians from this period, and vice versa.

Sure. 99% of the white musicians at that time were total sellouts who played extremely straight, boring, conservative and no-frills music without any embellishment or soul.

The most obvious difference is the energy level and "rawness" of songs - those white bands had really carefully choreographed performances with minimal deviation, even solos were often written out in similar big bands.

Black musicians often shouted, yelled or mugged during performances - all of these are completely absent in white performances at that time.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ysavir »

gregmac wrote: post #274
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #106

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

I too listen to different genres of music depending on mood, and I hate when they mix. I used to make mix tapes and later audio CDs like "Alt Rock #" and "EDM #" and I had dozens of those. Since I went to digital music, I've had the same problem with practically every bit of software and streaming service. They all seem to have some mode where it wants to just mix stuff between genres and it drives me nuts. My curren…

I use Pandora and I'm able to maintain genre-specific stations pretty well. Sometimes it will try to mix something new in but I just dislike that song and it happily keeps playing the genre(s) that I chose for that channel.

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

DEADMEAT wrote: post #149
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #40

There’s something biological going here I would think. 30 is about the age where fluid intelligence peaks but crystallized intelligence continues to grow for a few more decades. Also, 30 is about the age where a lot of us come into our own as the person we will more or less be for the rest of our lives. I know for myself that in my teens and twenties, music was part of the process of defining myself. By my early thir…

I'm curious about your experience with older men not playing video games? I'm in my mid-thirties and I would say that the overwhelming majority of my male friends and co-workers play video games recreationally. Video games are more popular and accessible than ever, so I guess I'm confused about why someone would age-out of the hobby?

Perhaps it’s just been my personal experience or maybe a Gen X thing? I tried getting back into playing video games a few years ago. I gave up after a weekend. It was dead boring. I’d much rather read the paper.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Thegn »

Pannoniae wrote: post #277
Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

Hey! I have a quite similar music taste. (my favs definitely include Slim Gaillard and Fats Waller, that kind of stuff) If you have Discord, I've been curating a musicbot with a similar music rotation since I've also been completely fed up with streaming services pushing more Glenn Miller/similar straight bands, not the hip ones :) If you are interested, join my server, the bot is running 24/7: https://discord.gg/wjs…

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by crooked-v »

KETHERCORTEX wrote: post #273
bongodongobob wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but wanting your music algorithm to key in on the composer's skin color is a ridiculous expectation. Listen to albums or make a playlist.

In this case it's not that ridiculous because "black" here isn't just a skin color, but primarily a subculture/subgenre with some distinct musical attributes. Nobody finds separating French electronic music into its own subgenre ridiculous. Same with Italian Disco. Such distinct movements are quite usual, so dissatisfaction about Black Swing on streaming services is understandable.

Also, the subculture exists in the US because of hundreds of years of intentional effort by the majority to destroy any preexisting cultures among black people and prevent any integration with the mainstream.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by bheadmaster »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #184
bheadmaster wrote: post #176

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> Not everyone wants to put forth that much effort. How is that more effort than listening whole albums? I personally do my Spotify discovery exactly that way - I listen to "discover weekly", and when a song stands out, I just click on the artist and listen more. I can't imagine any way of putting less effort than that into discovering new music.

Albums aren’t what Spotify recommends. Path of least resistance. See my comment above.

Albums are literally one tap away - you tap on the song title and the album opens.

> See my comment above.

Please either reply to my comment with new words, or not at all.

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