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OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by nozzlegear »

DSingularity wrote: post #235
jprete wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the GP, but one can believe that it's cheap pandering, and simultaneously that the three of them have merit outside of that pandering. It's not required to be all one or all the other.

Yes. I don’t know them to know if they are not qualified — overall I think they are unlikely to be unqualified. What I am saying is it is easy to find qualified stooges. Like I said: pay us humans enough and we build whatever. Note: not all pay is in dollars. Prestige and power are also sought by man. Overall: I am cynical wrt OpenAI. I just don't think that OpenAI is acting in the best interests of humanity and thes…

> Overall: I am cynical wrt OpenAI. I just don't think that OpenAI is acting in the best interests of humanity

For what it's worth, I agree with you on this part. Despite their stated goals and unique corporate structure that supposedly puts the non-profit at the center, I see OpenAI benefiting Sam Altman and Microsoft more than humanity.

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Post by BehindBlueEyes »

Retric wrote: post #155
staplers wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI is a nonprofit Do people really still believe this?

The US government does, which is what matters.

I am surprised that using non profit status to build a business and transferring/converting to for profit down the line isn’t considered a form of tax evasion.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by [deleted] »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #95
code51 wrote: post #7

If AGI achieved, Microsoft doesn't have the claim on it commercially. Microsoft with 49% stake in the for-profit entity and non-observer seat, what actually protects Microsoft here? First hand information that AGI is reached? Are we not seeing a card in Microsoft's hand here?

Do we have a formal legal definition for AGI?

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

renegade-otter wrote: post #288
99catmaster wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m lacking a lot of context here, why are Altman and his crew (not sure who they are either) creeps?

You should look into Effective Accelerationism. It's legit nuts, created by people who will not have to deal with the consequences when the society collapses (they are way too rich for that). https://www.businessinsider.com/effective-accelerationism-hu...

I really wish all the effective accelerationists would effectively accelerate themselves to Mars so the rest of us can clean up their mess without continued fuckery.

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Post by rvz »

mikewarot wrote: post #122
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have a formal legal definition for AGI?

No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. Thus, if OpenAI already got there, and the board found out... Microsoft would have a very VERY strong incentive to ouster the board, and never, ever have Skynet, or whatever, declared an AGI. And then hush it up forever.

> No, the Board determines when AGI is reached.

What if it never arrives?

What if "AGI" is another narrative to fleece investor money to believe in something just to sell out of for as long as possible until they run out of money, investors to throw lots of money on or the lawsuits make it even harder for the company to continue?

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Post by felixgallo »

tptacek wrote: post #59
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #15

I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong, but there's really no way to put out a release like this without a "history is written by the victors" vibe coming across.

He pretty clearly won. There's not much to it. A huge chunk of the company went into open revolt and he got a competing offer that threatened to recruit all of them. There's nothing really underhanded or sneaky about it: the board drastically overplayed their hand, and all Altman and Brockman had to do was say "I call". To use the parlance of this community of people: people's priors here all seem to be that somethin…

With respect, I think 'people's priors all seem to be' is doing a lot of work there and forging new ground in both-sidesism. Man, who's to blame here, the self-dealing serial scam artist, eyeball print thief, crypto booster, and professional prevaricator, or the OpenAI board of, basically, politically naive and innocent academics?

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Post by BehindBlueEyes »

tivert wrote: post #205
scop wrote: post #28

> reviewed more than 30,000 documents As somebody completely ignorant of the inner workings of the legal trade, can somebody explain what this means? Does this mean a group of informed humans reviewed 30k docs? Does this mean 30k docs were grep’d for keywords? Somewhere in between?

> As somebody completely ignorant of the inner workings of the legal trade, can somebody explain what this means? Does this mean a group of informed humans reviewed 30k docs? At least in some cases, that means they paid a bunch of law grads from low-tier schools much less than you'd expect to read boring documents all day against some instructions to flag "interesting" things.

Funny to me that they’d pay grad students instead of using AI to summarize.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Jensson wrote: post #128
tptacek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "maneuver"? They don't appear to have had to do anything to win.

If they did nothing Sam Altman would have won, since their job is to reign in Sam Altman when he goes out of bounds of the original mission.

Gentle pedantic OT reminder: "there is no "g" in the phrase "rein in."

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Post by bdjsiqoocwk »

xnx wrote: post #299

The palace intrigue of OpenAI is a lot less interesting now that they're are so many viable competitors. I don't see anything that says OpenAI is uncatchably ahead of Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, or any number of AI start-ups.

That's because openai has no moat. The code is out in the open, or equivalent code is, and same for the ideas. There isn't anything else to it.
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