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When I first heard they were shortening the exam by 30%, I thought that was unfortunate, since it would either make the test less reliable or impose a lower ceiling on the range it can assess. However, I later learned that it will be dynamic — depending on how a student does in the first section on a given topic, he will be given either easier or harder versions of a subsequent section. That means that they'll be abl…

Many kids have an IEP - an individualized education plan. https://www2.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html They get extra time allocation to take tests - 50% more in most cases. The numbers I hear tossed around is that a substantial fraction (20% to 40%) of school kids in some of the elite public and private schools have IEPs. Clearly there are kids who need the extra time. But that many? ADHD is the reas…

> Combine 50% extra time with adderall. 1500+ SAT scores are not uncommon.

That's not a great take. If you want to complain about overprescribing, go ahead. But Adderall is meant for people who need it to get closer to baseline. People abusing the prescription is not a good reason to criticise IEP adjustments.

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How do you even monitor who is doing the test? Do they have a ChatGPT window open? What additional tools they are using etc. seems like a terrible idea.

Essentially spyware that potentally records your screen, camera, keystrokes, mouse movements, running processes, and connected peripherals. It might also run constant integrity checks on itself to ensure no modifications are made.

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There is also no testing or vision rechecking requirement, so there are just a lot of people on the roads who should probably have their license taken away.

I'm curious as to the states involved. Michigan takes car culture seriously. You have to parallel park on the drivers test, and the Secretary of State offices (there is no DMV, because what a waste of taxpayer funds...) have eye charts when you renew your license.

I never realized our test was anything strange. Parallel parking was the big scary part of the test but I remember it being huge, almost two car lengths long or something. It was very easy.

The eye chart machines (they are electronic and usually at each clerk window) look like they are from the 70s for what its worth.

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This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

It could be relevant if the system itself is treating outlier performance as evidence of cheating.

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Many kids have an IEP - an individualized education plan. https://www2.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html They get extra time allocation to take tests - 50% more in most cases. The numbers I hear tossed around is that a substantial fraction (20% to 40%) of school kids in some of the elite public and private schools have IEPs. Clearly there are kids who need the extra time. But that many? ADHD is the reas…

> Combine 50% extra time with adderall. 1500+ SAT scores are not uncommon. That's not a great take. If you want to complain about overprescribing, go ahead. But Adderall is meant for people who need it to get closer to baseline. People abusing the prescription is not a good reason to criticise IEP adjustments.

Fair comment and distinction between IEPs, medical support and over prescribing. I'm all for helping people get to a healthy baseline in their life with medical support and medication as necessary. IEPs are necessary and benefical to many, many kids.

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Ah, I remember this test fondly. Mostly because I "cheated" my way to a much better score than I "earned" on my presat. I remember walking into the classroom to take the test and I recognized a student who ranked in the top of the class. So I sat down next to them. We didnt know each other. We were both taking the test and through "random" peripheral vision I noticed that none of our answers were lining up. So I cont…

> at all those words whose definitions mean to lookup another word (is there a word for that?)

A completely different word, or one with the last few letters changed?

For the first one, that's just a bad dictionary. Or someone trying to give you a very fast and rough definition.

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When I took the GRE in 2017, everything was digital as well. But I couldn't believe how locked down the experience was. The testing center in downtown SF had no windows, a metal detector, and you had to check all food outside of the testing room. Just in case you were going to try to cheat off of your banana. I think each computer was also recording a video of you taking the test although I might be mistaken here. Ce…

I agree with your main point but leaving food outside was probably to protect the computers, not the integrity of the test.

Its def for cheating. You can find examples of replaced ingredients lists, products labels, barcodes, and people writing on the inside peel of oranges and other fruit on reddit and other places.

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The "emergency phase" was declared over, however we're still in a pandemic. Most people want to pretend it's over, but nobody has told the virus.

COVID is endemic. Endemic and pandemic are mutually exclusive things.

Physically, one is a subset of the other. It's only "mutually exclusive" from a specific (misleading) angle.

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I’m sure it very much depends on locality, but I watched an elderly person backup over some cones and then drive out ahead of me with their new license. The road test also consisted of essentially going around the block a few times. I was 18 so there were no prerequisites. If you took the test and the evaluator gave you a pass, you got your license. Explains all the collisions I pass on the way to dropping the kids o…

There is also no testing or vision rechecking requirement, so there are just a lot of people on the roads who should probably have their license taken away.

Young people get into more crashes (and more deadly crashes) than old people, we should probably just flat out not allow people under 25 to drive long before we get around to worrying about things like vision checks.

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I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

Yes this whole comment seems just like an excuse to brag

I see it as a great example of the total failure of a system, where a top performer doesn't even have hope.
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