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Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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The last commit to that directory was 5 years ago. I don't think it's useful.

Alright, maybe they shouldn't bother trying to get listed on there. But the very fact that the best directory for this kind of thing that I could find, is so spartan and unmaintained, tells you a lot about how rare this combination of features is.

This[1] seems like a well maintained repo.

And thank you for the pointers, we'll try to get ourselves added here :)

[1]: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Too bad that ente.io app is not available on Apple App Store. Yeah, searched "ente.io": *cricket* Also no encryption-at-rest capability: https://github.com/immich-app/immich/issues/450

Ente is available on the App Store: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1542026904

Looks like we've quite a bit of "ASO" work todo. Thanks for the heads up!

Regarding encryption, the link you shared points to Immich. Ente uses client side encryption, so your data is encrypted before it leaves your device, and only you have the keys to decrypt it.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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That's why you'd leave SmugMug?

"CEO & Chief Geek at Flickr" Flickr does it, why wouldn't SmugMug?

Because SmugMug doesn't have free accounts. If you paid for Flickr, you wouldn't get those emails, either. You'd enjoy unlimited storage.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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> Now to run algorithms over your photos, all the computation must be done on the edge. Edge is an overloaded and fuzzy term [0]. It just means "on device" here, right? [0] https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/serverless/glossary/what...

Yes, it means on device.

Might want to s/edge/device/g in your docs.

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Yes, it means on device.

Might want to s/edge/device/g in your docs.

"Edge" unfortunately is a broad term whose definition depends on the scope of the system. But "Edge ML" is the precise way to communicate what we're doing.

I agree that "on device ML" is less ambiguous, so will give this some more thought.

Thanks for the suggestion!

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"CEO & Chief Geek at Flickr" Flickr does it, why wouldn't SmugMug?

Because SmugMug doesn't have free accounts. If you paid for Flickr, you wouldn't get those emails, either. You'd enjoy unlimited storage.

I understand that you're trying to monetize your business and I think that is important, especially since you're here commenting on an open source alternative.

But, sending multiple emails to customers with a threat to delete their private photos unless they pay, is a kafkaesque way to do business. Sorry, I'm not going to pay for something when I'm treated with actual hostility...

  April 19th 2022: [IMPORTANT] Free account limit enforcement changes.


  May 12th 2022: FINAL NOTICE: You are in violation of our free account limits.


  Oct 6th 2022: Reminder: Your account is in violation of our free account limits.

It seems that after Oct 2022, someone realized this wasn't a good idea and the emails stopped. I just logged in and checked and still have everything there. What is the point of paying, just to silence the empty threats?

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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> A cheap SSD might reliably last five years, a nice one, about ten years, as far as I know. Solution: a RAID system with 5 reliable disks and you replace 2 of them every 5th year, and the other 3 in the following 4 years.

You expect this to be cheaper and/or easier than cloud hosting?

5 disks every 7 year on average have a cost (today) of 80/90$ per disk of 1TB. A 2TB Google One plan is 10$/month. In 7 years will be 720$ vs 450$. Yes you need to factor in the rest of hardware as well (but you can also use it for other things). So self-hosting is probably a bit more expensive but not that much, and you keep your data with you.

In any case a NAS with 5 disks is probably overkill for family photos and videos, a single disk or at most a RAID0 with 2 disks over a RPi5 will be enough for many people and way way cheaper than a 2TB plan, but obviously you need to know how to and like to self-host

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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Because SmugMug doesn't have free accounts. If you paid for Flickr, you wouldn't get those emails, either. You'd enjoy unlimited storage.

I understand that you're trying to monetize your business and I think that is important, especially since you're here commenting on an open source alternative. But, sending multiple emails to customers with a threat to delete their private photos unless they pay, is a kafkaesque way to do business. Sorry, I'm not going to pay for something when I'm treated with actual hostility... April 19th 2022: [IMPORTANT] Free ac…

Thanks for the perspective.

I think "actual hostility" would have been simply shutting Flickr off, something Yahoo was ready to do. (Post acquisition, they later publicly admitted they regretted not doing just that[1]). I'm surprised you view getting notices that you have the opportunity to download your content (or pay for it, your choice) to be hostile. Is it less hostile to simply delete the data with no warning, like hundreds of other services have done?

We've tried hard to thread the needle between fixing Flickr's business model (it was losing tens of millions of dollars a year when we bought them, primarily because giving away 1TB/account for free is not sustainable) and giving people plenty of time to download their photos prior to deletion.

Tough problem, tough situation, but I'm largely proud of how we've handled it - there's been plenty of runway and notice for people to get their photos back if they prefer not to pay (either scenario - paying or downloading - is fine in our minds, but losing photos is not). We're not holding them hostage or anything, we want everyone to have them, one way or the other.

Email open & click rates being what they are (low), we carefully tracked them, plus download and/or subscription rates, to determine how frequently to contact people so we could have a high confidence that most people knew they had a choice and had the chance to make it.

Your photos over the free limits will be deleted, eventually. I don't know when, for your specific account, but it's certainly not just to "silence empty threats". It's not a threat, it's a statement, and it was intended as a courtesy.

I'm glad you have a choice AND you _know_ you have a choice.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/verizon-to-lay-off-7-of-media-g...

Re: Ente: Open-Source, E2E Encrypted, Google Photos Alternative

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This looks great - thank you so much for opening up the server too! About auth, I'm not sure the claim in the readme is entirely correct: > Two years ago, while building Ente Photos, we realized that there was no open source end-to-end encrypted authenticator app. Surely bitwarden existed and had 2fa support two years ago? Granted it's not only an authenticator app... Ed:[I guess 2fa is/was a pay-only feature, so onl…

The primary issue with Bitwarden is that your passwords and 2FA tokens are stored at the same place, essentially nullifying the second factor. Also, the feature to store 2FA tokens is only available on Bitwarden's paid plan, while with Ente it's free.

> essentially nullifying the second factor

Not totally. It still protects from the password being disclosed via other means (e.g. server db leak).

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