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Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Post by geraldwhen »

teeray wrote: post #210
kmeisthax wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing about Kingdom Hearts is you assume it's a vapid Disney corporate tie-in, but then you play it and realize it's actually a vapid Square Enix corporate tie-in. That's the actual draw for Kingdom Hearts fans: an absolutely incomprehensible mess of a plot[0] that just so happens to use a shitton of Disney and Final Fantasy characters. [0] "Simple and clean is the way it should be..."

Never got to play it, but I always loved “Simple and Clean.” Sounds like I got the best experience of the game.

More or less yes. 1+2 are decent, but Simple and Clean is more powerful than either game combined.

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Post by rl3 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #8

Epic games has the potential to be the virtual Disney World - just available to everyone on the planet instead of those with enough money to visit a park IRL. Disney has a great flywheel where their IP drives content, toys, and experiences. This is just the latest experience, and it’s something they can’t build themselves. I bet you can expect more content on fortnite to be with Disney IP; skins, events, maps, everyt…

>Epic games has the potential to be the virtual Disney World ...

I miss Unreal and Unreal Tournament.

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Post by palisade »

sssilver wrote: post #237

Every time something like this happens, it makes me really sad. It means more of what we experience will have to adhere to more of the same rules, patterns, and decisions. Uniformity is prevailing.

This would be true if it were a full takeover. But, actually it is just a small injection of cash. Which will greatly help the flagging Epic, which recently had to endure a relatively large layoff to stay the course. Disney is just making a cool metaverse with Epic that includes both their IPs; Star Wars / Avatar / Indiana Jones / etc and Fortnite, which is why they're providing this money. They were working on the technology together well before this investment. Epic isn't fully owned by Disney with this investment. Tencent has a much larger share.

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Post by mschuster91 »

caseysoftware wrote: post #227
gen220 wrote: post #198

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Box Office is not the yardstick disney uses, that's just the first phase of the disney wheel. They make oodles of money in merchandise and theme park content that's based on the same (expensive) IP as the movie. When they don't break even on the movie, they'll generally break even or make money on the IP behind the movie.

Here's the problem with that analysis, how do you attribute revenue to a specific movie? Will people attend the theme parks or spend more at them because of [movie X]? It's the same problem you have with streaming. Will people subscribe or stay subscribed to D+ longer because of [movie X]? Until you can answer one or both in a repeatable, predictable way, we can wave our hands and say "it makes money later!" or "it d…

> One other aspect that we CAN prove: streaming kills DVD sales. That's a revenue stream that is gone and won't be coming back so we have yet another deficit to fill.

Which is why Disney+ is its own streaming service. Keeps all the eggs in the same basket.

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Post by suddenclarity »

lukan wrote: post #269
tomcam wrote: post #212

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They were all flops. They cost massively more to film and to market than that. And remember theater owners get half of the gross.

As much as I despised for example the first new Star Wars, The Force Awakens: "The film grossed $2.07 billion worldwide, breaking various box office records and becoming the highest-grossing film in the United States and Canada, the highest-grossing film of 2015, and the third-highest-grossing film at the time of its release"

People forget that the movie came out nine years ago and shouldn't pass for "recent years", which the discussion above is about. The movie also primarily sold through hype to kids who grew up with the prequels, which had little to do with the quality. People, including me, still lived in denial back then. It wasn't until the second movie that my friends realized how terrible Star Wars had become and promised to never watch a Disney movie at the cinema again. A reputation Disney seems to have embraced considering the countless discussions of their decline.

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Post by nilamo »

herbst wrote: post #271
nilamo wrote: post #174

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They've had several hits over the past few years, what nonsense are you spreading? Encanto and Turning Red are both great

When a company is spending more to make a movie than they earn with the movie it's no success just a lot of bought buzz

Encanto: $150m budget vs $250m box office.

So again, "no hit movies" is easily disproven with 10s of time to look into it.

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Post by lukan »

suddenclarity wrote: post #295
lukan wrote: post #269

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As much as I despised for example the first new Star Wars, The Force Awakens: "The film grossed $2.07 billion worldwide, breaking various box office records and becoming the highest-grossing film in the United States and Canada, the highest-grossing film of 2015, and the third-highest-grossing film at the time of its release"

People forget that the movie came out nine years ago and shouldn't pass for "recent years", which the discussion above is about. The movie also primarily sold through hype to kids who grew up with the prequels, which had little to do with the quality. People, including me, still lived in denial back then. It wasn't until the second movie that my friends realized how terrible Star Wars had become and promised to never…

Well, part 2:

"It grossed over $1.3 billion worldwide, becoming the highest-grossing film of 2017"

and part 3:

"grossed over $1.077 billion worldwide, making it the seventh-highest-grossing film of 2019 "

Cannot really be called flops either. And the Mandalorian is highly succesful as well. And probably some other movies, I don't know, I do not follow. My point is, that I share the criticism of how bad Star Wars became under Disney, I dropped out, after they seriously introduced yet another death star. But commercially they were highly succesful.

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Post by namdnay »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #182
tomcam wrote: post #154

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

Frozen is one of the newest entries out of any media franchise to gross more than $10B — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media... . More than Fortnite has grossed. Not too shabby.

a bit off topic, but the global cultural impact of Frozen on kindergarten girls is absolutely insane. we all have memories of whatever the trend was when were a specific age, but nearly every 3-6 year old girl on the planet knows everything there is to know about the Frozen universe and had managed to get hold of some piece of merchandise (even if it's only a hair clip). And it's been like that for the past 8 years!
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