Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

jdminhbg wrote: post #25

So nice to see a YouTube client that makes sense on the platform it’s on. Compare to the official YT client for iPad, for example, which bizarrely uses the same tiny Material touch targets as on phones.

all the youtube apps suck. I can't tell you how many times I've accidentally clicked on another video while watching the one I actually am trying to watch. If you aren't full screen they fill up half the space with giant links to other videos and there's no confirmation or option for confirmation. I'm not sure anyone who works on them actually uses them in real life situations.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:21 PM UTC

bambax wrote: post #286

> Does it block ads? It doesn’t Having recently tried to watch Youtube on iPad without an adblocker, I discovered Youtube advertising. It's insufferable. Ads appear every few minutes, and they're not like the TV ads of yore. They're exclusively get-rich-quick schemes with people explaining how they're able to earn $10,000 a month doing nothing -- all one has to do is go to that website and subscribe to a shady course…

I think youtube ads are terrible and frequent because youtube decided they have no competition and if people want to watch videos, they'll either put up with that shit or pay for premium which is what youtube actually wants.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by grashalm » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:23 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #282

grashalm wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what reasonable alternative there could be. Develop your own YouTube?

For certain values of "reasonable": Peertube is one distributed option[0]. Many content creators have started hosting videos on other services like Patreon because of Youtube's censorship and demonetization policies. Which doesn't entirely avoid the centralization problem but it's better not to put all of your eggs in one basket. It's also possible (although obviously not always feasible) to self-host or torrent. [0]…

Thanks for the link. I didn't know Peertube, yet.

I can't see how you can avoid the centralization problem and also have decent monetization for the videos. But I want to certainly become convinced that it can work. Crypto made me a decentralization skeptic.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by jameshart » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:28 PM UTC

wahnfrieden wrote: post #275

jameshart wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think Google pays their employees with?

As little a share of it as they can get away with, in other words market rate wages

… which they fund from what source?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by jimbokun » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:30 PM UTC

LeSaucy wrote: post #280

Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

I'm assuming this developer is aware of that, and will move on to the next thing as soon as Google develops their own Youtube Vision OS app.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by hunter2_ » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:33 PM UTC

shiroiuma wrote: post #129

hunter2_ wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try sponsorblock, or stn which includes it.

AFAIK, sponsorblock isn't going to work with a 3rd-party YouTube viewer app like this.

Yeah, I guess STN (a viewer app in which sponsorblock works) is of the variety that TFA says makes Google "grumpy."

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by turtlebits » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:38 PM UTC

LeSaucy wrote: post #280

Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

Or they might just find the user experience lacking and want to improve on it.

I make all sorts of small apps and utilities because to improve usability of services i consume. It doest mean I'm some lackey to big corp.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by thih9 » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:38 PM UTC

> There’s no API keys, or limits to how many times a day you can call it

Yet. Just like with Apollo and Reddit API, at some point there weren’t any.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by thih9 » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:45 PM UTC

grashalm wrote: post #288

thih9 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative to what? Most devs work on projects that don’t actively compete with large companies on their own ground. Or do you mean alternative to watching video on Vision - I suppose youtube still works via safari, is that not the case?

Alternative to working with a big silicon valley giant. If you want to integrate/use YouTube you need to deal with whatever that company puts you up with. And as the article states, you don't want them to become grumpy at you; otherwise, they will turn you off even quicker. The only alternative I see is to develop a new YouTube, which seems unreasonable given how dominant Google is.

You don’t need a direct alternative to youtube to stop using youtube. You can just not deal with it, or access it via browser when needed, and use other platforms/media more instead. It might even become irrelevant on its own, like facebook and google search are slowly becoming.

But sure, if that’s not enough and you need a clone of youtube then yes, you need to develop a new youtube.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by smoldesu » Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 4:51 PM UTC

Terretta wrote: post #290

samstave wrote: post #272

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Walled gardens keep attention-span-harvesting profits on the inside.

> Walled gardens keep attention-span-harvesting profits on the inside. A few different counters: 1. Steam is on an "open" platform and charges the same 30% for the marketplace access value as the rest of the industry, whether open or appliance/console, including Apple. So it is memetic but incorrect to argue that Apple being "walled garden" is causing Apple to take more from devs than other places devs can market the…

> incorrect to argue that Apple being "walled garden" is causing Apple to take more from devs than other places devs can market their wares.

I thought you just said that Steam was on an open platform that doesn't choose how much they charge developers? Compared to iOS and the App Store, it's a very different situation; Steam is actually motivated to compete.

> In general, big tech is mad about this labeling

Source? I kinda think Apple has the API coverage to make this an OS-level or app-level feature instead of an App Store one. If not then they better start investing in that technology.

> "ads" that package and sell users to advertisers, and that that is what Apple is gate keeping,

Where is Apple gatekeeping advertisement? Seems to me that they barely care, as long as you conform to their App Store standards. They even sell their own targeted (but of course, respectful) ads: https://searchads.apple.com/

> which causes them to be misaligned with users and Apple.

For one, users don't care. Go on, go ask your mom how often she thinks about YouTube targeted advertisement when she's looking up chicken recipes.

For two, Apple only pretends to care. If you make a time-wasting, attention-span harvesting sinkhole gatcha game, Apple will welcome you into their platform with open arms. They operate so many double standards that threatening a company breakup a-la Microsoft antitrust is starting to look like the most sensible solution.