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Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by thomastjeffery »

sarlalian wrote: post #283
davidmurdoch wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's "worse than bad" because it's just a flat out lie?

It is not a lie, it just doesn't mean exactly what you want it to, and is certainly unintentionally misleading. You can work with code remotely on any machine.

You can't install MacOS any machine. You can't install it on most machines. You can install it exclusively on a Mac, a hackintosh, or a VM.

I'm not trying to assume or criticize their intentions. I'm criticizing their unintentional mistake.

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by tshirttime »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #228

It took me way too long to figure out that Zed exclusively runs on OSX. Why is that not in the first paragraph of their landing page? edit: It's not even on the landing page, or even on the about page! The landing page has an entire section, "Work with code on any machine"! This is worse than bad.

Because it got you to hear the pitch. People hating on Zed is still better than people oblivious to Zed.

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by p4ul »

satvikpendem wrote: post #183

Interesting that they don't compare their speed to Vim, as while it's not an IDE per se, Vim is still widely used as a code editor. It'd be interesting to see the comparison.

I am really curious about this, too! From time to time I'll switch to using a more full-featured IDE for a while, but I always come back to Vim!

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by grepfru_it »

bradrn wrote: post #206
zozbot234 wrote: post #45

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This. Sure, Emacs is a modern, highly extensible, performant OS already but we all know it's missing a good text editor!

No it isn’t — evil-mode is a great text editor!

I’ma let you finish, but pico was the greatest text editor of all time.. someone just needs to port it to emacs

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by Draiken »

dimgl wrote: post #166
safouen wrote: post #21

i've heared about Zed for a long time and it seems promising but as long as it's not on windows/linux it's not for developers.

> it's not for developers. What? Who is it for then?

Mostly for SV startup folks. In other words: Apple fanboys.

Jokes aside, the US is notoriously dominated by Apple, but it's not the same worldwide.

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by sarlalian »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #286
sarlalian wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a lie, it just doesn't mean exactly what you want it to, and is certainly unintentionally misleading. You can work with code remotely on any machine.

Words have actual meanings.

The full text is:

> Work with code on any machine > When you join a teammate's project, you can navigate and edit as if the code is on your local machine. Open any file, type with low latency, and interact with language servers. It all works seamlessly, whether you're working with someone at the next desk or on a different continent.

I'm curious what part of that indicates that it means any operating system? It is clearly talking about treating remote machines as local machines. Yes, words have actual meanings but they also have context in which they are said or printed.

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by reddalo »

rob74 wrote: post #156
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #51

I'm generally a big fan of zed and have been using it for 60%ish of my dev time for 6 months or so. A couple of nice things to note: - It really is remarkably responsive,and makes one really notice how UNresponsive everything else is. I have reasonably fast machines, so we're not talking about the difference between 5ms typing lag and 500ms, but it's still pretty surprising. VSCode never felt slow on my macs until I…

> VSCode never felt slow on my macs until I started using Zed. I guess you haven't used Sublime Text before?

Cries in PhpStorm

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by btdmaster »

kristopolous wrote: post #172
miohtama wrote: post #147

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It’s likely that Zed does not want users, or wants specific kind of users as this stage of their company maturity. Mac developer is a proxy for the user type Zed is probably aiming to sell service: Western, wealthy, senior. Whileas Windows users are everyone and their uncle. Scaling to large userbase does not make sense if they are not going to pay for your product.

I'm just sour about lack of Linux support, it's like I'm in 1998 again except now instead of Microsoft Windows ignoring us it's Apple macOS. A WINE like project for macOS software would be great

> A Wine-like project for macOS software

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darling_(software)

https://github.com/darlinghq/darling

https://darlinghq.org

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by sarlalian »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #291
sarlalian wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not a lie, it just doesn't mean exactly what you want it to, and is certainly unintentionally misleading. You can work with code remotely on any machine.

You can't install MacOS any machine. You can't install it on most machines. You can install it exclusively on a Mac, a hackintosh, or a VM. I'm not trying to assume or criticize their intentions. I'm criticizing their unintentional mistake.

My reply was to contextualize that it wasn't a lie. Maybe a poor choice of words, but given the context on the page, it's clear what it is talking about, which isn't the application being cross platform. A lie implies deception, which I think given the context on the page there wasn't any intention to deceive, just poorly chosen words that can have different meanings depending on the context.

Re: Zed, a collaborative code editor, is now open source

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Post by Gorath »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #273
thomastjeffery wrote: post #228

It took me way too long to figure out that Zed exclusively runs on OSX. Why is that not in the first paragraph of their landing page? edit: It's not even on the landing page, or even on the about page! The landing page has an entire section, "Work with code on any machine"! This is worse than bad.

> Work with code on any machine This is referring to remote editing support. Platform support is in their FAQ, but I agree it should be a bit clearer on the homepage. Perhaps the download button should say "Download for MacOS" or similar. I do think your comment here is unnecessarily rude.

It's rude to make misleading marketing statements as well, especially when you are addressing a technical market. That is pretty bad, and thinking so is not rude.
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