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Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by tigroferoce »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #234
tigroferoce wrote: post #205

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I'd dare to say that Google is very bad at doing products. They tried so many times and almost always failed, the list of products killed by Google is huge, They really succeeded in search, maps and gmail; all of these products are engineering-first products, created in the early days. One might argue that YouTube and Android should go in that list, but I disagree. YouTube was acquired and it never managed to become…

Youtube failed to become something big? I think you've lost yourself in your argument a bit.

It's not that it's not big. It's that it's not as big as it could be. It's not gmail-big or maps-big, at least for me. It is outclassed by many other, in their respective niches (video streaming, music, and social networking), and despite the huge efforts, Google never managed to turn it into a subscription-based service.

It's not that it's not big, it's that it is not on the same level than maps or gmail, IMO.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by froh »

_heimdall wrote: post #237
teddyh wrote: post #216

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Because not everyone who raises a child is their actual parent. See also the need for terms like “caretaker”, and “legal guardian”.

I consider anyone raising a child as their parents, I honestly could care less who's physical bodies were involved. It's interesting to me that anyone raising a child wouldn't want to be considered a parent. Is the use of this term by request of people actually in this position, or wasn't created by third parties in an assumption that we shouldn't call them parents? Caretaker and legal guardian have different and mor…

some kids are raised by other relatives or even non-relatives. will they at some point say "my real mommy was aunt xyz"? possibly. but still in no world auntie is a parent, in all worlds she is the caretaker.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by apwell23 »

tavavex wrote: post #72
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #45

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Well, it seems like it's got some cool tech based on providing access to everybody else's copyrighted content in novel ways, a bunch of promise to make a lot of money without knowing 100% what the plan is, messy politics at the top, and it's around the San Francisco area, so....

> providing access to everybody else's copyrighted content in novel ways That's a very biased characterization that downplays a debate that people have right now as basically being already solved. It's simply not truthful, unless they started a side business in developing a torrent tracker or something.

> basically being already solved.

Whats the solution ?

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by froh »

robertlagrant wrote: post #262
stevage wrote: post #256

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The only people experiencing offense here seem to be the ones who don't like the term child raiser for some reason.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if there's a pushback on a change, that's defense, not offence.

the idiom is "take offense in sth"

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by tigroferoce »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #228
tigroferoce wrote: post #205

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I'd dare to say that Google is very bad at doing products. They tried so many times and almost always failed, the list of products killed by Google is huge, They really succeeded in search, maps and gmail; all of these products are engineering-first products, created in the early days. One might argue that YouTube and Android should go in that list, but I disagree. YouTube was acquired and it never managed to become…

> YouTube was acquired and it never managed to become something really big Before YouTube there was Google Video, which was moderately successful (it was just that YouTube was more successful, so it got acquired).

I strongly believe that Google Video would have been killed by Google long ago. They bought YouTube because they couldn't create it themselves. And they never managed to turn that into a real product, IMO.

But there are just my opinions, of course.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by helboi4 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #282
zpeti wrote: post #253

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Why do we have to change our language (and behaviour) for the edge cases? Is a grandparent who raises their grandchildren offended by the word parent? I doubt it. What’s the point?

It's not even an edge case. An "old school" absentee working dad is a parent, but not a child-raiser. The OP even touches upon this, calling out male child-raisers as exceptions while I'm sure you'll agree that roughly half of all parents are male. When that's the topic at hand we should keep those distinctions in mind.

fr this is literally the first thing I thought of and I'm probably one of these extreme libs people think they're fighting here. I literally didn't consider any reason for using this phrase other than that both parents don't usually have equal child raising responsibilities. that's a perfectly normal traditional nuclear family situation.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by voiceblue »

mike_hearn wrote: post #180
voiceblue wrote: post #6

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The success of 20% projects is a quasi-myth. Gmail is often touted, but you would do well to look up the employee # at Google of the inventor. Point being, you need (very) early hire clout or your 20% project isn’t going anywhere either.

It's not a myth. I had a successful 20% project when I was there and I was nobody special. I started an anti-bot system in 2010 and by 2014 it had become integrated into most of the top products. Last I heard there is a whole team working on it still, and there were also spinoffs. That wasn't only a 20% project but a secret one! For several months I told my manager in daily standups that today was my 20% day, and tha…

I appreciate your comment and anecdata, and I’m glad you commented here.

That being said, I’m not sure whether it is you or I who does not know what “quasi” means.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by red_admiral »

edgyquant wrote: post #208

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I was perhaps trying to be more precise than necessary. Thinking of my work colleagues, there's a case where A and B had a child together, so they're both parents, but they've also separated and B (who works at my place) does all the child-raising and so is the one to worry about daycare availability and pricing and such. A is still a parent, but not much involved in the child's life.

This term was not meant to be a commentary on the kind of language that comes out of HR departments, nor a statement on gender identity.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by helboi4 »

Clubber wrote: post #229
edgyquant wrote: post #208

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Yes just because you aren't blood and you raise/help raise a kid, you are the parent. To change the verbiage is diminishing to the task, even though you don't mean it to be. Who's more of a parent, the guy who knocks up a woman and leaves forever, or the step-dad who actually raises the kid for 18+ years?

That's the whole point, lots of people ARE parents but aren't child raisers. Even traditional fathers who are part of the family but do not raise their kids because they expect their wife to ARE parents but are not primary raisers of their kids.

Re: Culture Change at Google

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Post by nonameiguess »

_heimdall wrote: post #237
teddyh wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because not everyone who raises a child is their actual parent. See also the need for terms like “caretaker”, and “legal guardian”.

I consider anyone raising a child as their parents, I honestly could care less who's physical bodies were involved. It's interesting to me that anyone raising a child wouldn't want to be considered a parent. Is the use of this term by request of people actually in this position, or wasn't created by third parties in an assumption that we shouldn't call them parents? Caretaker and legal guardian have different and mor…

The first coworker who comes to mind for me is a guy I worked with whose sister and brother-in-law died in a car accident. As next of kin, he took the kids and eventually adopted them, but as far as I'm aware, at no point did he ever call himself their parent and I think that would have seemed oddly distasteful to do so. Uncle still works even when you're raising them.
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