This was always coming, there is no better permanent customer than the DoD. Opens all kinds of revenue doors.
OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
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> Being the policeman of the world absolutely sucks. It would probably suck less if it was more neutral and without the self dealing / corruption. The "policeman of the world" thing often seems like just a fig leaf / marketing to paper over dodgy stuff. :(
>The "policeman of the world" thing often seems like just a fig leaf / marketing to paper over dodgy stuff. :( It really is. The US had the advantage of coming out of World War 2 relatively unscathed compared to Europe, as well as the only active nuclear arsenal at the time, as well as every Nazi rocket engineer and Japanese bioweapons expert it could pick up. It basically made the Western world an offer it couldn't…
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I personally welcome cooperation with the Pentagon for OpenAI and other American companies. The disdain that seems to infest so many when it comes to working with our national defense organizations is both annoying and bewilderingly naive and that's even when we take into consideration all of the bad things that happen. Strengthening partnerships with our government certainly doesn't make me mistrust OpenAI.
Yeah I understand skepticism over the USE of our military, but being categorically against our military having expanded military capabilities is just intentionally weakening ourselves. It's like saying our soldiers in Iraq shouldn't have had modern rifles because the invasion of Iraq was wrong. I can only surmise that Silicon Valley has a sizeable contingent raised by hippie Vietnam protestors that produced a generat…
> It's like saying our soldiers in Iraq shouldn't have had modern rifles because the invasion of Iraq was wrong.
Is that argument wrong? Over the past few decades US military adventurism has been, on the whole, harmful to both the US and the rest of the world. Having "expanded military capabilities" seems to have done the US more harm than good, even ignoring the opportunity costs of spending on those military capabilities rather than more productive things.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
#294Utterly predictable. AI will be weaponized and anybody working on it is going to have to live with that knowledge. Consider yourselves part of the MIC from now on, no more bs about doing this for the betterment of humanity. And to add to that: once any party figures out how to do this it is a matter of time before the rest does too, there is no such thing as a secret. The atomic bomb leaked and so will the recipe for…
At least Ilya's crew was working on alignment ( https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment ). If only the rank-and-file had been more vocally supportive of that, instead of enthusiastically boarding the Altman train. Look where that train is headed...
Alignment to _what_? Humans aren't aligned without AI, what exactly will AI be aligned to?
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I sure hope so, Russia has 100% been doing it, with multiple documented „botfarms” (more like fake identity verification farms)
Yes Russia did have some accounts and bought ads on US social media some years ago, but analysis showed it had marginal effect. They are outsiders on US run social media platforms. The real power is in the hands of those running the social media platforms that can suppress or send viral what they want with a few adjustments. That certainly happened and continues still now aided by AI.
> analysis showed it had marginal effect
What analysis? Care to share some of your insights?
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
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I don’t think he was ever deluding himself. This was always the end goal. The fact that people fell for the lies, well, everyone in Silicon Valley eventually learns not to trust anybody whose title is CEO. The lesson is usually painful. But memorable.
Don’t know. His orb/ubs thing is so naive. It looks like he truly believes in SV’s ability to “make the world a better place”.
Now he can help to “make the world a better place” with some bombs.
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#297Asimov, Daneel, and Giskard would be sad.
A positronic brain could be argued to be AI.
Neither the first nor the second laws of Robotics would remain unbroken once AI is applied for military purposes.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
#298Utterly predictable. AI will be weaponized and anybody working on it is going to have to live with that knowledge. Consider yourselves part of the MIC from now on, no more bs about doing this for the betterment of humanity. And to add to that: once any party figures out how to do this it is a matter of time before the rest does too, there is no such thing as a secret. The atomic bomb leaked and so will the recipe for…
At least Ilya's crew was working on alignment ( https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment ). If only the rank-and-file had been more vocally supportive of that, instead of enthusiastically boarding the Altman train. Look where that train is headed...
Alignment with whose values? Altmans? Ilya's? Humanity's? The USA? Some unspecified ideal? I have a really hard time passing the responsibility for such massive impact decisions to a bunch of talented technicians who have already demonstrated a poor command of ethics. The more likely outcome is that it will end up being 'alignment with whoever has the money', and that's a recipe for some bad stuff in our future.
Re: OpenAI drops ban on military tools to partner with The Pentagon
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
At least Ilya's crew was working on alignment ( https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment ). If only the rank-and-file had been more vocally supportive of that, instead of enthusiastically boarding the Altman train. Look where that train is headed...
Alignment to _what_? Humans aren't aligned without AI, what exactly will AI be aligned to?
That's like asking "programs that execute within a predictable scope for what?"
For whatever they're being written for. Alignment's goal is to have models to do what they're being trained to do and not other random things. It won't be uniform; for example, determining "what does inappropriate mean" will vary between countries.
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OpenAi employees are very employable. Several of them were probably lured by Altman’s want-to-better-humanity stance. Only to find out now that the man is deluding himself and betraying everything OpenAi said it wouldn’t do.
I don’t think he was ever deluding himself. This was always the end goal. The fact that people fell for the lies, well, everyone in Silicon Valley eventually learns not to trust anybody whose title is CEO. The lesson is usually painful. But memorable.
e/sigma is arguably a delusional mental state because it posits that AI will capture 100% of world GDP in the near future. As sama said himself, AI will “capture the light cone of value.” So company “ethics” aside it’s reasonable to argue sama is in fact currently dellusional.