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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by consumer451 »

kube-system wrote: post #282
consumer451 wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 737 fuselage is shipped from Spirit to Boeing without an interior. The door plugs are removed by Boeing during the interior installation. It is up to Boeing to reinstall them properly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38920716

We don't know whether the reason they are failing is due to an installation issue or not.

We don't know for sure, but informed speculation indicates that this is likely the problem. See the replies to my link above.

However, you are correct. Until the final NTSB report comes out, we don't know.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by nubb1nz »

jmward01 wrote: post #40

Aviation is safe. An issue happened and appropriate steps have immediately happened and in the end an already incredibly safe industry will be even safer. If a car has an issue we don't blink and we loose nearly 40k people a year in the US alone, but a plane has an issue and we panic. Yes, panic. This is not rational or helpful and is a huge reason why aviation is so antiquated. You want flying cars? Stop panicking a…

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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #41
United857 wrote: post #28

For the most reliable info, you can look up your flight number in Flightaware or Flightradar 24 -- those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes.

>those use actual flight plan data, so will take into account any last minute aircraft changes. But at that point it's too late. I doubt people are that afraid of 737 Max that they'll cancel a flight (and forfeit their ticket) over it.

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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by gruez »

not-my-account wrote: post #188
legitster wrote: post #97

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> The trend is heading the wrong way. Contrary to this sentiment, air traffic safety continues to improve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_inciden... If anything, air travel is so safe now that non-fatal incidents such as this weeks' stand out more than they would have in previous decades. And in comparison, driving is getting much more dangerous (at least in the US). https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

But, we're seeing fatal issues with one specific company over and over again. Knowing that there is some systemic failure within Boeing must change your priors, no? What's wrong with pointing that out and being concerned?

> But, we're seeing fatal issues with one specific company over and over again. Knowing that there is some systemic failure within Boeing must change your priors, no?

"systemic failure within Boeing" isn't necessarily inconsistent with "air traffic safety continues to improve". For instance, better pilot training and safety regulations might make flying even safer despite Boeing creating more crashes.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jmward01 »

ibejoeb wrote: post #159
jmward01 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a big statement. Since 2019 there have been 32 fatalities connected to commercial aircraft. Most of those were iv very small aircraft like seaplanes and helicopters. 32 deaths in 4 years compared to ~40k/year in cars. We need to keep things in perspective.

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, a MAX, crashed in 2019, killing 157 people.

I forgot to say 'in the united states'. Thanks for the correction. The car statistics would go up massively if they were worldwide and getting those is harder (and less accurate) than in the US alone. Additionally, the regulatory framework for aviation isn't the same everywhere so it is a bit apples to oranges to compare outside the US although it is clear that the issues leading to the two MAX crashes were design and training in nature and directly point back at Boeing as a root cause.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by ketchupdebugger »

kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

If my brand new Honda's door fell off when I'm on the highway, I'm not blaming the door manufacturer I'm blaming Honda

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by nottorp »

kube-system wrote: post #274
nolok wrote: post #252

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1 - it really doesn't matter, delegating your manufacturing to a subcontractor doesn't absolve you of ensuring the product is made properly 2 - it's made in a former Boeing plant, that boeing sold to an investment fund and then contract work to, so if your point is "that's not how REAL boeing manufacturing is done" well that's certainly where boeing is heading its manufacturing. 3 - The plane is designed, certified,…

I understand all of that. My point is that people avoiding all 737 MAX variants over an issue specifically on plug doors that are no longer in the air, that we don't even know why they failed, are illogically filtering their flight options.

> over an issue specifically on plug doors that are no longer in the air

... on the same type of plane that had the controls wrong enough to cause two crashes?

People can see a pattern there...

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by nolok »

kube-system wrote: post #274
nolok wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 - it really doesn't matter, delegating your manufacturing to a subcontractor doesn't absolve you of ensuring the product is made properly 2 - it's made in a former Boeing plant, that boeing sold to an investment fund and then contract work to, so if your point is "that's not how REAL boeing manufacturing is done" well that's certainly where boeing is heading its manufacturing. 3 - The plane is designed, certified,…

I understand all of that. My point is that people avoiding all 737 MAX variants over an issue specifically on plug doors that are no longer in the air, that we don't even know why they failed, are illogically filtering their flight options.

But virtually no one really is avoiding it over that, they're avoiding because of the multitude of various faults and issue over the entire MAX line that makes it highly unlikely that there isn't something else coming.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jessriedel »

dralley wrote: post #87
kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

True, but as integrator, Boeing is still responsible for ensuring the quality of the final product.

You can also argue that the airline is responsible for operating only quality products

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by Eji1700 »

kube-system wrote: post #205
Eji1700 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a plane crashes, twice, totaling 300+ dead, people are right to get skeptical. When the investigation into those crashes reveals a shitload of corner cutting on safety regs, people are right to get skeptical. When another version of the same plane made by the same company has an in flight blowout and the fleet is grounded AGAIN (yes i know just the 9s but remind me how many other companies have had entire lines…

> I would certainly not buy a car from a company that's clearly disregarded safety so badly, and would prefer avoiding being in one for any other reason (friends/rideshare/whatever). That's a lot of cars. The standard in the auto industry is to design specifically for regulatory tests, and/or popular industry tests, in a specific region. All major automakers sell cars that intentionally lack safety features in region…

Which seems totally irrelevant given that we're talking specifically about Boeing failing to meet US regulations (and a bunch of international ones as well).

Selling a car without an airbag in a country that's decided you don't need airbags is the choice of the country. If you wanted this to be similar it'd be selling a car in a country that wants you to have airbags, but yours don't work. Which would be a company I'd avoid.

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