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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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As well they should have. You realize you don't need a gym to exercise right? Walking and body weight exercises are totally sufficient and free.

We also closed parks and beaches. I guess people can walk around in circles in their bedrooms.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

People don’t believe it, but cities used to be cheap. I wasn't really aware of this, but was just wondering about it the other day, as it seems like logically they should be cheaper; economies of scale ought to help for both housing and infrastructure, I would think. Interesting to hear that expensive cities aren't necessarily inevitable.

Basically all the housing in NYC—from the brownstones in Bed-Stuy to the high rises on the Upper East Side—were built during the early 20th century when there was a huge population boom, to provide affordable housing for literally millions of people.

We need to keep doing that. NYC doesn’t need a few thousand more apartments—it needs hundreds of thousands more apartments.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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More taxes. Less service. Everything is outrageously expensive. Middle class gets crushed. If you've wealthy, no point in having your main residence in NYC (see, more taxes). Will get worse before it gets better.

Yes a lot of people you think of as "NYers" are.. not, for tax purposes. Most famous people you know have enough flexibility that they can be in their West coast / Florida / Mountains / Beach / Westport / Greenwich / Short Hills / etc home 183+ days per year.

> not, for tax purposes.

And, really, general quality of life. When you just want to spend quiet time at home, somewhere outside of the big city is going to provide something more quiet and comfortable. And when you want to do the things that the city uniquely has to offer, you go there while you do those things. NYC, nor anywhere else you might want to be, is certainly not walled off to outsiders. There is no advantage to being there all the time.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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That assumption obviously has an availability heuristic bias / selection criteria bias, like speeding down a road is safe because you haven’t died yet. NYC no doubt has a lot of things going for it, I think being the financial center for the hegemony is the deciding factor. In my view survival of NYC probably has less to do with local crime than the outcome of future wars.

Detroit was the center of manufacturing for "the hegemony," which is currently in the process of losing its control of the financial markets, just like they did in manufacturing.

Unlike Detroit, NYC has a very diversified economy. In addition to being the primary finance capital it is a major international player in media, art, fashion, tech, and more. NYC is simply not utterly dependent on finance in the way Detroit was on manufacturing- or SF is on tech, for a modern example.

I think that’s what has made it, and the other global cities like it, so extremely resilient over a long period of time. That and financial services being, thus far, an evergreen industry.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

Agree. Food wise it's wild too. What used to be the price of an entres is now the price of an appetizer and the service have gotten down too. Getting a place you actually want to live 2 bedrooms is at least $4K we pay much more because we live in a nice building. But it's still a great city and I am sure somethings gotta give.

I ate at a place the other weekend in Brooklyn for lunch. Some small plates BS, so we had to get a number of items. Without drinks we are talking $50/head for a couple to have lunch, easily hitting $100/head if you drank.

The table they sat my wife & I at was, I swear to you, 2 square feet. It was a protrusion from the shelving in the wall that they had placed 2 backless tools at. It was like taking a 16" MacBook Pro and unfolding it so it was splayed open... I got the keyboard and wife got the screen. We actually begged to be sat at the bar instead but they declined.

At some point it's just not worth it anymore. I'm too old for this.

Maybe zoomers living in small studio who are meeting randos for a date. I had less eating space than when I eat my sad salad lunch at my desk. Who needs that anxiety on a Sunday afternoon. I have dining seating in my apartment for 6-8 people and I'm hunched over a veritable coach flight tray table and paying for the privilege?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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I agree that longterm closure of schools was a bad move and created many problems. However, I do think to be fair we need to look at some of the other issues at play regarding education. The system was barely working to begin with. It seems that countries with better school systems (or educational cultures), or just individual schools/districts here faired much better. The broken system can't play catchup if it was s…

The kids who have the lowest chances of success in school are those without a supportive home life. In other words, forcing kids to school at home was the most in-equitable policy in our generation, if not many. Even things like "has a stable Internet connection" is not a given.

I agree. And many of the well off families switched their kids to private schools that were in-person or hired tutors.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

Also, that national network for travel needs to include a much higher percentage spent on intercity/regional rail than we currently do.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Where did they move? (FL?)

In my anecdotal experience, there is a sizable chunk of people who stayed within a couple of hours drive of the city but moved farther out to save money. Towns up the Hudson Valley, Westchester, "Greater Woodstock", Long Island, Conn/Mass/NJ. If the only reason you are paying all that rent money for that tiny apartment is so you can take the subway to work, and you can work from Yonkers over Zoom just as well, why no…

The general pattern in a lot of places I've read about is that most people don't move out to the boonies or across the country. They move someplace that's accessible to the city for a weekend or even a day trip.

I haven't moved because I already owned a place in an exurb, but if I had to go into Boston daily as I did for a while, that wouldn't be sustainable but I can go in for a show in the evening (or a customer visit). There are probably a lot of people for whom their housing calculus changes if they don't have to regularly go into a downtown office.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

> Cities are amazingly resilient...

I concur. Some cities that have outlived their empires -- Rome, Istanbul (Constantinople), London, Baghdad, Alexandria, Cairo, Kabul, Mumbai.

Even NYC, Boston, Philly predate the US constitution.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Really? Compared to what other metropolises?

NYC doesn't even make the list apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_popul...

Did you actually look at that list? Most have under 1,000,000 in population. Many even have less than 100,000. There are only a handful of cities on the list comparable to NYC. It’s also worth noting that Manhattan would be 9 on the list, if listed as an individual city. The current number 9 is Port au Prince. Is that the kind of metropolis you were comparing NYC to?
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