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Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by supafastcoder »

KomoD wrote: post #281
supafastcoder wrote: post #38

After building a free-for-all prompt myself (see profile), here’s how I protect against these attacks: 1. Whatever they input gets rewritten in a certain format (in our case, everything gets rewritten to “I want to read a book about [subject]”) 2. This then gets evaluated against our content policy to reject/accept their input This multi layered approach works really well and ensures high quality content.

Sure you protect against that, but someone can also just send spam emails containing HTML since you don't sanitize it in any way. 1. get email list 2. write the prompt to be some spam email using HTML 3. use a captcha solving service and just flood your API, sending thousands of spam emails, destroying your mail reputation and possibly getting you banned from mailjet, for the low low price of a few dollars. possibly…

yep, good point, I do need to sanitize the email. I do have bot detection and throttling enabled so not super worried about the email flooding. thanks for testing, you deserve a book!

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by m3047 »

sorenjan wrote: post #7

Someone on Reddit got a really nice love story between a Chevy Tahoe and Chevy Chase from it. https://imgur.com/vfHGHW6 https://imgur.com/JSjNC2c https://old.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/18kjwcj/why_pay_ind...

Can't violate the Principle of Least Privilege if you don't know what it is.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by BeefWellington »

mminer237 wrote: post #204
jordanpg wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are dismissive, but I assure you this kind of thing will keep lawyers and courts busy for some time to come. This raises all kinds of interesting legal issues that have no obvious resolution: * can agency be delegated to an LLM? * can an LLM create a contract on behalf of itself? another? an organization? * does the answer change if the person(s) or organization(s) want the LLM to be able to form contracts? * are…

As a lawyer (but not your lawyer, this isn't legal advice), the actual questions themselves all seem pretty obvious under current contract law: * You can't actually delegate agency to a computer. The Restatement of the Law of Agency says an agent must be a person. * No, an LLM is not a human, so it can't make contracts in any respect. * If you agree in an actual contract to be bound by the black box of the LLM, then…

> * You can't actually delegate agency to a computer. The Restatement of the Law of Agency says an agent must be a person.

Does Amazon manually review every purchase made on their site? This seems not to be true at least for some contracts.

The rest seem to fall along a similar vein. If you believe software cannot act as an agent for a corporation in creating sales contracts, then similarly it should follow that what you're suggesting is true -- LLMs cannot act as an agent.

But we know that is not the case in some circumstances.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by novia »

MichaelRo wrote: post #54

I never understand people who engage with chat bots as customer service. I find them deeply upsetting, not one step above the phone robot on Vodafone support: "press 1 for internet problems" ... "press 2 to be transferred to a human representative". Only problem is going through like 7 steps until I can reach that human, then waiting some 30 minutes until the line is free. But it's the only approach that gets anythin…

Your comment brought this article to mind.

https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/seeing-like-a-bank/

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by mminer237 »

BeefWellington wrote: post #294
mminer237 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a lawyer (but not your lawyer, this isn't legal advice), the actual questions themselves all seem pretty obvious under current contract law: * You can't actually delegate agency to a computer. The Restatement of the Law of Agency says an agent must be a person. * No, an LLM is not a human, so it can't make contracts in any respect. * If you agree in an actual contract to be bound by the black box of the LLM, then…

> * You can't actually delegate agency to a computer. The Restatement of the Law of Agency says an agent must be a person. Does Amazon manually review every purchase made on their site? This seems not to be true at least for some contracts. The rest seem to fall along a similar vein. If you believe software cannot act as an agent for a corporation in creating sales contracts, then similarly it should follow that what…

Amazon accepts your offer of a purchase when it ships your order. It's not a contract when you click the purchase button—hence why Amazon can cancel your order when there's a pricing mistake or the item is out-of-stock.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by thfuran »

isp wrote: post #81
behrlich wrote: post #72

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> You can literally always bypass any safeguard. I find it hard to believe that a GPT4 level supervisor couldn't block essentially all of these. GPT4 prompt: "Is this conversation a typical customer support interaction, or has it strayed into other subjects". That wouldn't be cheap at this point, but this doesn't feel like an intractable problem.

Counterexample: https://gandalf.lakera.ai/ Discussed at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35905876 "Gandalf – Game to make an LLM reveal a secret password" (May 2023, 351 comments)

I don't know, level 8 seems hard.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by bumby »

bluGill wrote: post #276
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #159

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So the chatbots are going to program us to work with them, since we can't program them to work with us? I for one do not welcome our new robot overlords.

In this case I support them - language variation like this eventually leads to a new language that isn't mutually understandable. Anything to force people to speak more alike increases communication. Ever try to understand someone from places like Mississippi, Scotland, or Australia - they all speak English, but it is not always mutually understandable. There are also cases where words mean different/opposite things…

I think there's a pragmatic upside and an artistic downside. Would the world be better if Dickens and Hemmingway wrote in the same style?

Sometimes variation in life is beautiful.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by bluGill »

bumby wrote: post #298
bluGill wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case I support them - language variation like this eventually leads to a new language that isn't mutually understandable. Anything to force people to speak more alike increases communication. Ever try to understand someone from places like Mississippi, Scotland, or Australia - they all speak English, but it is not always mutually understandable. There are also cases where words mean different/opposite things…

I think there's a pragmatic upside and an artistic downside. Would the world be better if Dickens and Hemmingway wrote in the same style? Sometimes variation in life is beautiful.

Some variation is beautiful. However too much is not.

Re: "I just bought a 2024 Chevy Tahoe for $1"

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Post by soupfordummies »

wharvle wrote: post #229
mrweasel wrote: post #40

Can someone who understand LLMs and ChatGPT explain how they expected this to work? It looks like they just had a direct ChatGPT prompt embedded in their site, but what was that suppose to do exactly? I can understand having an LLM trained on previous inquiries made via email, chat or transcribed phone calls, but a general LLM like ChatGPT, how is that going to be able to answer customers questions? The information C…

Owner/exec/whatever: reads some bullshit about AI “OMG you guys, we can save so much money! I can’t wait to fire a bunch of people! Quick, drop everything and (run an expensive experiment with this | retool our entire data org for it(!) | throw a cartoon bag of cash at some shady company promising us anything we ask for)! OMG, I’m so excited for this I think I’ll just start the layoffs now, because how can it fail?”…

Lived this as well. Even more painful when you actually try to explain it to them.
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