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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Can you name the specifics of Elon's dumb antics? I can think of a couple of dumb Tweets, but on the whole, I think he is more right than wrong on his takes, he just has less of a filter than most people.

You seem to be getting downvoted, but I agree with you to a large extent. He does say a ton of stuff I disagree with, sometimes strongly, but I also know if most other CEOs were as public and unfiltered they'd probably fair even worse in aligning with my positions on many issues. When I'm thinking where to spend my money, I do appreciate that Tesla (and SpaceX) push the boundaries in high-tech industries, and that mu…

He used to be politically neutral but seems to have adopted a right-wing viewpoint that is getting increasingly right-wing over time. Not an extremist by any means but a definite shift. It started around the time he got into a scuffle with the Democratic administration over union issues so maybe it isn't a real shift just being opportunistic. Maybe it is just perception and I'm off-base.

As an investor in Tesla's IPO I find some of his behavior erratic and worrying. I certainly can't diagnose anyone and don't know the man personally. But sometimes he gives the impression he's abusing stimulants to stay awake for 72 hour stints. I worry about his health. I worry about how some of his decisions might negatively affect Tesla or SpaceX.

In the past he was known for appreciating contrary views and opposed yes-men but it seems like he is surrounded more and more by such people who say what he wants to hear in an attempt to leech off him. Again I don't have any personal knowledge but it is another worry that any rich person has to face. I hope I'm wrong about this.

The thing I'm most disappointed about is his moving from CA to TX to avoid income taxes.

The startup ecosystem, local infrastructure, education system, and many other factors that make California the global center of startups and innovation are paid for by those taxes. Or at least the region needs to pay for infrastructure, housing, etc to make it possible for such a system to function. Elon effectively declared "screw you future generations, I got mine".

Did moving to avoid income tax make him immoral? No. Was it illegal? No. But I hate that kind of thinking. You made your bones here in CA, now that you have more money than you can ever spend in a lifetime you want to bail to avoid paying into the system that made it all possible?

I want to be clear here: Elon is within his rights to do that. I'm not calling him a sinner. I just personally find it incredibly disappointing and demonstrative of a lack of appreciation for the factors that made him successful.

edit: I still own a Tesla vehicle. I still own shares. I still support SpaceX's mission. I don't fault anyone for being a fan of his, I'm just not as much anymore and I find that regrettable because he used to be focused on such grand and important things.

edit2: Twitter is also such a massive and pointless distraction born out of being personally offended that they were fact-checking and moderating some of his tweets. The world would be better off if he were focused on Tesla and SpaceX. Instead he's out there swearing at advertisers and doing petty things like removing verified checkmarks or banning prominent people who say bad things about him on Twitter - despite his purported support of "Free Speech". All of this is demonstration of extremely thin skin and lack of perspective.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

I continue to be puzzled by people's strong opinions on Elon. He's says dumb things on social media but there seem to be unusually strong sacred contagion effects from that. Buying petrol from Shell or cereal from Nestle? No problem. Buying a Model 3 from Tesla? No way! Honestly, I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of people with the same views on immigration or trans issues or covid or whatever, each associated…

Elon isn't morally worse than my grandparents. It's currently much easier to rally people around things they hate than things they like or support. It seems like that was always true to a certain extent, but social media in particular has dialed it up to 11. Most of my coworkers and family define themselves by what they hate rather than what they like. I put a lot of effort into not going in that direction.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #252

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I don't think you will find a lot of other CEOs of car companies publicly promoting antisemitism and most recently QAnon-type conspiracies.

I don't think I disagree with you in principle, but it's interesting to note that Henry Ford published a four volume book "The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem". And Volkswagen was founded by the Nazis.

And what does that have to do with the people buying those cars now? It would be one thing if people were buying those cars and that was still going on. That's why this is different.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

Yeah, let's be a uniplanetary species and get extinct because someone on Twitter is wrong!

That is a real vision for our species.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

Wild to me that SO many people buy a car based on what other people will think more than based on the actual capabilities of the car.

But then this is Tesla so I'm not surprised.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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I happen to think that Musk is a loon, but I am rooting for the success of the truck, because, in the US, truck buyers are a super conservative bunch, and if you win them over, then the EV transition really kicks in. Truck buyers cannot afford machines that get between them and earning their livelihood. The question for me is whether this, and the Ford F150 Lightning, are poser trucks, or genuine work trucks. Its win…

EV trucks will not win over “super conservative” truck normies until they are more affordable, can do 500 miles to a “tank”, and can do that while hauling a load. My old Ecoboost F-150 had a 33 gallon tank and could easily do 650 miles per tank on a road trip. I can fill up while I grab a coke and take a leak and that’s too good to give up.

On all accounts EV is better than ICE except for range and ability to replenish your fuel. Once they are on par in that department the explosion will happen. Time is money and when you can fill up your tank in 5 minutes and hit the road immediately that makes a huge difference. Don’t need to wait for a charge port either. Gas stations are ubiquitous.

The cyber truck is not a truck though. The bed is smaller than what you’d get on a midsize like a Tacoma and we don’t have towing data yet. It’s a fashion statement plain and simple. The only EV truck worth considering is as you’ve said the Lightning but you can’t tow a damn thing with it because the range gets sliced in half, and that’s way worse in the cold.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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The point is, people contribute heavily to their deaths on motorcycles. And I assume on foot too. Wearing ear phones? Chance of death through the roof. Talking on the phone? Way more dangerous. Out at night walking after a drink or two? Better watch out. Don't look both ways, twice? You're in trouble.

Yeah the driver is usually doing something stupid like texting too. Which reminds me of the Werner Herzog documentary From One Second to the Next (2013) @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1vCqfYpos

Forget the driver, you can't control for that when you're walking. So you're left with acting better as a pedestrian.
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