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Post by andai »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #229
JanneVee wrote: post #184

I feel old now. I'm fairly sure that we could do this almost as fast with VB or Delphi a couple of decades ago, but a little more deterministic results instead of having the tool inferring it from the label names. We had this and then we shoved everything in the browser and forgot that we could do this without using huge amount of compute of some generative AI model. Look at me I'm old yelling at clouds!

I have kind of the same opinion. Maybe more provocative. When people show me figma to HTML with AI I tell them “have you ever heard of Dreamweaver?” Ok, dreamweaver code was ugly and unusable when AI generated code is not too bad (sometimes). But still, I also feel we kinda were already close to where we’re at today.

We're so close! Now we just need to reinvent Flash and life will be complete again.

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Post by aketchum »

steveruizok wrote: post #140

Hey, Steve here from tldraw. This is a toy project with a horrible security pattern, sorry. If you want to run it locally or check out the source, it's here: https://github.com/tldraw/draw-a-ui . You can also see a bunch of other examples at https://twitter.com/tldraw . Happy to answer any questions about tldraw/this project. It's definitely not putting anyone out of work, but it's a blast to play with. Here's a more…

Hey Steve! Super exciting project and congrats on the launch! I tried to use my open AI key and am getting an error around "you exceeded your current quota, check billing". Does the standard $20 a month OpenAi Pro subscription work for this or are there additional permissions needed?

Edit: found the answer on the github readme

"*To use your own API key, you need to have access to usage tier 1. Check out your current tier, and how to increase it in the OpenAI settings."

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Post by simonw »

tolmasky wrote: post #222

Can someone with an API key try making a rectangle labeled "URL", and a bigger rectangle underneath it, and then see if it is smart enough to make a simple browser out of that?

First attempt didn't work, but it nailed it when I added text saying "Show web page here" to the second box: https://gist.github.com/simonw/dac37e575b214c7e13ec907a026e5...

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Post by dclowd9901 »

rchaud wrote: post #173
imjonse wrote: post #33

Such recent demos show both how impressively ML/AI has advanced recently, and how unimpressively repetitive and unoriginal tasks keep being reimplemented by millions of developers worldwide. Since most UI screens can be accurately described in one or two paragraphs, it's no wonder they can be represented in much detail in a relatively small embedding vector.

You've put into words what has bothered me about the relentless boosterism of B2C AI solutions on the backs of hundreds of these "Hello World" type demos. "OMG, programming is dead!" The strange thing is that on HN, the limits of these approaches re: extensibility and maintenance are easily recognized when talking about traditional no-code platforms. But somehow with AI, these problems are now fixed, and we wont have…

Do you really care about extensibility and maintenance when you could just generate an entirely new component when you want more features or need to upgrade the library?

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Post by andai »

quest88 wrote: post #278
hliyan wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about Dreamweaver, but the fact that no Frontpage equivalent exists this day and age, and armies of developers are grappling with HTML, React and GraphQL (e.g. Gatsby) to generate what are essentially websites, is very surprising.

I'd like to talk about today's sponsor, Squarespace. (in Jest, I know it doesn't solve every problem!)

I used to look down on it but when I heard it handles payment it blew my mind and I decided I'd rather use it myself if I ever make a shop instead of building it myself. To quote a random guy "I trust their code more than what I wrote at 2am."

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Post by andai »

hirako2000 wrote: post #269
hliyan wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about Dreamweaver, but the fact that no Frontpage equivalent exists this day and age, and armies of developers are grappling with HTML, React and GraphQL (e.g. Gatsby) to generate what are essentially websites, is very surprising.

There are countless of no-code tools to build landing pages, static site content. For web apps the level of custom logic makes it unavoible to just code. Since web developers tend to be coders they would code static sites too. And use what they are most comfortable with, usually React.

My friend works on a low code system marketed to small governments. (Basically just CRUD builder optimized for bureaucracy.) There's definitely a niche for it, it just hasn't caught on much for some reason.

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Post by yetihehe »

NoGravitas wrote: post #274
mfbx9da4 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is kind of missing the point. The fact that the underlying implementation is not a hand-coded-deterministic one is the interesting thing about this demo. This is clearly going to be useful by making people more efficient and only going to get better with time.

I, for one, love to have my code generated non-deterministically. Makes debugging so easy.

Now, instead of looking in some cryptic symbols which you don't understand, you just mash "regenerate" button until it works. Can anything be more simple? Of course, with newer models you need to hit that button even less, it's progress, isn't it?

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Post by croes »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #80
croes wrote: post #38

That's the equivalent of a todo app. How about something more complicated?

Same thing I tell my toddler any time he gains a new skill and people try to act impressed. Like bro come on I've been doing that for literal decades.

Did your toddler get billions of dollar from MS?
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