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YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Post by Shawnj2 »

jancsika wrote: post #183
Workaccount2 wrote: post #15

It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…

> It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. It's almost like Youtube is a different product and UX! People obviously think of Youtube as the place where nearly all the important, timely video/streaming content exists in some form or ano…

Nebula, especially the curiosity stream bundle, just looks like a better and better deal every year. $15/year, most of which goes to the people actually making videos based on your watch time for a better experience than YouTube is totally worth it when google pulls this kind of shit lol

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Post by pixxel »

JAlexoid wrote: post #43
yifanl wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you can't pay for Youtube. You can pay for a bundle of some mostly unrelated products that's named Youtube Premium, or you can live with an insanely degraded product experience on Youtube, but you can't pay for Youtube.

YouTube Premium is ad-free YouTube. That's literally "paying for YouTube". But it sure seems that you're trying to rationalize your unwillingness to pay for something and it does sound very entitled.

Please stop spamming this thread. It’s unhealthy.

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Post by not_your_vase »

scubbo wrote: post #162
not_your_vase wrote: post #2

Google and Cloudflare pretty much rules at least 98% of the internet. If they don't want you to see something, then you won't see it. Welcome to this brave new world. Though to be fair, it didn't start now. But in the past years people were cheering for the random blocks and removals. The article seems to concentrate on adblockers mostly, but it is even more interesting which news, topics and conversations (etc) reac…

How can Cloudflare prevent content from being seen? If they stop providing CDN support for a given service, there are plenty of other CDNs - the content is just as accessible to consumers if provided via a different CDN. By contrast, if Google delists something from search results, it becomes much harder to discover - and thus, to be consumed (by the average moderately-motivated customer, not to the dedicated person…

Oh, Cloudflare is much more than CDN. Their DNS routing, internet backbone and DDoS protection has much more powerful effect. Most of the internet traffic touches them one way or another (random internet stats say close to 80%). Sure, you can switch CDN, but most of the world will be able to access your site through IP address only, and/or the site will be DDoS'd in a matter of minutes if CF hints that you are the "bad guy du jour".

(Do you remember, like 3 or 4 years ago when CF CEO was bragging all over the internet with "oh, today I woke up, and decided to kick off x and y from the internet, lol"? And he really did. It still happens, but without the bragging)

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Post by candiodari »

slimsag wrote: post #269
candiodari wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily now with AI this is not the problem it once was.

How will AI help you? Make the screen blank for 30s while waiting for ad to end?

Right now it will tell you what the ads are. So, if the video is played on a delay, it can remove ads, even baked into the video.

And, coming up in foundation models right now, it can remake videos to remove ads entirely, making a new video with just the content. Perhaps it'll be a feature of the RTX 6090. I bet the hallucinations will be hilarious.

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Post by Paul-Craft »

4star3star wrote: post #258
Workaccount2 wrote: post #15

It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…

Ads are not necessarily the problem. It's the way they're delivered. For one thing, if they are so damn dominant at advertising, why can't they show me a better variety of ads? Another problem is the jarring nature of ads. They are just IN YOUR FACE all of a sudden, and it's basically rude the way they're presented. Is there not a more "polite" way to go about it? You could have me watch 5 minutes of straight ads, re…

The reason they don't do 5 minutes of straight ads every 12 hours is because you'd get people that just walk away, switch to another tab and mute Youtube for 5 minutes, or any number of other things that would end up with juiced ad statistics with no corresponding real benefit to the advertiser.

Then, you'd get the response to that, which is ads you have to interact with to essentially tell the server you've seen the ad. I've seen this in mobile games already, and it's damn annoying. There's no way I'd want to spend 5 minutes doing that kind of thing.

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Post by Paul-Craft »

gretch wrote: post #175
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If YT only live streams content, content caching services will strip out the ads, and play with a delay. Youtube will never monetise tech savvy users and should just stop trying. We only need to be slipperier than the average gazelle and the lions will never catch us.

> content caching services will strip out the ads, and play with a delay. To achieve this, you’ll need computation, storage, and bandwidth on the scale of YouTube. Do you think whoever offers that service will do so without ads or payment? Your whole scheme is based on hoping “kind” and knowledgeable volunteers do free labor for you. Good luck. I for one am tech savvy and am happy to pay $20 for the ad free service.…

I don't need massive amounts of compute, storage, or bandwidth to run an app on my PC that "watches" the video and does those things offline, so I can watch the whole thing later without ads.

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Post by nojvek »

I pay for YouTube. Although they jacked up price from $9.99 to $17.99 with 0 difference in offering.

I know the latest cool post pandemic is to keep on jacking up price until you see churn but that really rubbed me off.

It felt very fuck-you-pay-me!

Google has a huge monopoly and I’m sure they can double the price without losing much customers since they’re the big game in town.

Unfortunately I ended up cancelling Netflix and Disney to make up for it.

Perhaps this is the game they’re all playing. I only got a fixed dollars per month to spend on entertainment and each one wants to get it all at the loss of others.

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