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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by rayiner »

thomasahle wrote: post #285
pentae wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to guess you've never spent much time outside the bubble of the first world. After living extensively overseas in Latin America & South-east Asia and seeing how its part of everyday life for most people in the rest of the world to openly burn trash, plastics, car tyres.. litter everywhere, cutting the cat converters off their trucks, dumping construction waste straight into rivers.. it's been eye opening. N…

"But it's you reduce the economy, think of what it will do to the poor!" it's incredible how ritch people will happily push the poor in front of them when it's beneficial. The fact is "emmisions per capita" is heavily correlated with "gdp per capita": https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-emissions-vs-gdp The "educated people in western countries [who] are incredibly eco-conscious" emit way more co2 than "85% of the…

What does “per capita” emissions have to do with the physics of climate change?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by FrankyHollywood »

All these comments mentioning cutting down on energy. It will help a bit, but the real problem is there are just to many people on earth.

A world wide one-child policy like it used to exist in China [1] would be a real solution in keeping earth a pleasant place to live.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by mort96 »

thunkle wrote: post #201

I'm discouraged that politics ever even comes into this. It makes as much sense as the left likes masks and the right doesn't like masks. I wish everyone could admit this is an issue and move forward.

Of course it's a political issue. Politics is fundamentally about a struggle for which interests should be given priority over other interests. There are lots of people with a whooooole lot of power who have a lot to lose from taking climate change seriously, how could it not become political?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by tock »

vixen99 wrote: post #264

"China, the United States and India — contribute 42.6% total emissions, while the bottom 100 countries only account for only 2.9%.". Asia is the largest emitter with China at 27%". While selling renewables to the rest of the world, China seems reluctant to reduce its reliance on coal-fired power stations. 'Global Energy Monitor and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air finds the country quadrupled the amoun…

China, the United States and India also make up 40% of the world population.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by IAmGraydon »

kurthr wrote: post #77
leereeves wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That chart covers a very short duration. Here's a more complete chart of Earth's temperature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/m... As you can see, we are indeed coming out of one of the coldest periods ever in Earth's history.

... and based on that chart are now hotter than any time in the last 100k years, heading into the last few million. A few 10s (of million) years at +25c are going to be the "new normal"? I'm trying to understand the point. The rate of change is quite dramatic, and the last time (Eemian) there was anything like this there were "rapid" 12c oscillations. Humans didn't exist. I suspect most current plant/animal species a…

>and based on that chart are now hotter than any time in the last 100k years, heading into the last few million. A few 10s (of million) years at +25c are going to be the "new normal"?

No, the chart does not say that. The 2050 and 2100 dots are projections from the IPOC RCP8.5 “high emissions” scenario. Also, absolutely nothing on that says we’re going to +25c. That part of the chart (that goes to 25) is in F, and it still doesn’t say we’re going to 25f either.

Lots of people wonder why we have so many climate deniers. A lot of the reason is because of guys like this ^ on the opposite end of the spectrum, spewing their fears into a hyperbolic, warped reality. What we need more of is a balanced, realistic, objective view. That will allow us to get to work on a solution.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by spicyramen_ »

FrankyHollywood wrote: post #292

All these comments mentioning cutting down on energy. It will help a bit, but the real problem is there are just to many people on earth. A world wide one-child policy like it used to exist in China [1] would be a real solution in keeping earth a pleasant place to live. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by batch12 »

stavros wrote: post #221
jmondi wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem smart.

I'm glad you agree, it did seem the dumber choice to continue driving at full speed into a brick wall just because the driver next to me won't brake first.

I think the right metaphor to demonstrate the argument being made is you are coupled to the other car and it doesn't matter if you turn off your engine, you're both hitting the wall anyway if the other car doesn't decide to stop too.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by mort96 »

renegade-otter wrote: post #254
LispSporks22 wrote: post #244

> red meat I've been vegan for decades, and I would love to see humanity move on from meat, but the idea is so incredibly offensive to people that I find it far easier to imagine the the Amazon razed and replaced with cattle feeding lots before that will happen.

We are supposed to stop eating meat while our governments cut taxes for corporations as their management buys that third infinity pool. Corporations are "people", my friend - while being absolved from any social responsibility.

Yes. We can do a good thing even if other people are doing a bad thing.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by zpeti »

pentae wrote: post #258
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

I'm going to guess you've never spent much time outside the bubble of the first world. After living extensively overseas in Latin America & South-east Asia and seeing how its part of everyday life for most people in the rest of the world to openly burn trash, plastics, car tyres.. litter everywhere, cutting the cat converters off their trucks, dumping construction waste straight into rivers.. it's been eye opening. N…

Thank you. Climate change is a diplomacy issue, nothing the west is going to do in the next 50 years will make a difference with what’s going on in china and elsewhere.

So either you are a realist about this problem, and you admit that either it’s war with many countries to solve this issue, or it won’t be solved (because they won’t stop economic growth for carbon emissions). Possible alternatives are technology.

But guilt tripping the west and stopping people eating steak will. Not. Make. A. Difference.

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Post by postmodest »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

At this point we are in some sort of 'space station ecosystem collapse' situation and we need to start acting like it and completely change how capitalism works.

So... we're fucked.

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