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New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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The problem with conversations about this topic and similar topics (9/11) is that almost no-one who cares about the topic deeply enough to have an argument about it online is interested because they're just super into ballistics and forensics and don't care about the political implications. It's all motivated reasoning because they don't like the _implications_ of the official story for whatever reason (or, alternati…

That's true of most topics. This one is just more heated because of the historical significance and lack of direct evidence.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…

Landis' behaviour strikes me as being very peculiar. Shouldn't he have attempted to preserve evidence on the bullet rather than simply putting it into his pocket?

> he said he grabbed it to thwart souvenir hunters. Then, for reasons that still seem fuzzy even to him, he said he entered the hospital and placed it next to Kennedy on the president’s stretcher, assuming it could somehow help doctors figure out what happened.

From the NYT article. It also mentions that crime scene integrity wasn't as much of a thing at the time, which seems questionable at best. But still, if you believe the choice is between keeping or losing the bullet, you definitely take it.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…

Crazy that he chose to keep this secret for six decades. I wonder what possible reason he could have to bring it up now. Hmm, hmm, hmm.

He is at the end of his life and has nothing to lose? Imagine knowing the murder was a planned Dulles op. Then imagine, they killed Jack, Bobby, Martin, and Lennon. They tried to kill George Wallace and Regan. Might be good to keep quiet

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

Similar: recent PR photos made it "click" for me that modern stealthy aircraft look exactly like "flying saucer" UFOs from the front. https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/b-21-stealth-bomber-...

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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how does that upend anything? If the story in the article is true, the bullet Landis found - i.e. the famous "magic bullet" - could not have wounded both Kennedy and Governor Connally and have been shot from the Book Depository (to Kennedy's rear) as the so-called single-bullet theory[0] requires, so it upends the Warren Commission's version of the assassination completely. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-b…

There is nothing magical about the bullet. The governor was sitting in front and to the right of Kennedy as you can see here: * https://spacecoastdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/JFK-A... look at the arms. Kennedy is resting his arm on the car frame and Connally cannot. The seat he is in is not lined up with where Kennedy is. The bullet needs no magic to go in a straight line.

"Magic bullet" is just the most recognisable name for CE399[0], nothing supernatural implied by my use of it.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theory

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, there can only have been more than one shooter. Not just Oswald.

So the shooter was working with Oswald, or it was a coincidence? I'd like to know who would sign up for anything with Oswald -- probably the most unreliable and untethered person you would have been able to find in the SW USA at the time. All of these conspiracy theories would die if those taking them seriously would just sit down and read the Warren report. If you can then find something specific in the evidence or…

This very article points out Arlen Specter heavily influenced people on the ground during the day of the assassination. This behavior is well-documented. Why do you take the Warren Report as gospel?

“ Arlen Specter, who had traveled to Dallas to take Tomlinson’s deposition in March 1964, was thunderstruck when Tomlinson relayed this scenario. To judge from a transcript of that conversation, Specter spent much of the remainder of his time with Tomlinson essentially trying to talk him out of his recollection, causing a distressed Tomlinson to say he just was not sure about his memory.

But the Q&A itself clearly suggests that Tomlinson, unprompted and unbadgered, had a cogent recollection that a bullet, wherever else it ultimately ended up, had come from the stretcher that had already been left in the hall in front of the men’s room.

In its final report, the Warren Commission mentioned nothing about this detail from Tomlinson’s account. Instead, the panel largely dismissed Tomlinson’s testimony, writing that even though he was “not certain whether the bullet came from the Connally stretcher or the adjacent one,” the commission “has concluded that the bullet came from the Governor’s stretcher.”

As sibling points out, Oswald may have been a scapegoat or patsy.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

I had the exact same reaction. There are X’s on the road where Kennedy was hit, and standing at the window next to Oswald’s position, two things were immediately obvious to me: that both X’s were in line with his position (so he wouldn’t have needed to shift his point of aim unlike a shooter from the grassy knoll) and that I could have probably made the same shots.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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What I find most intriguing about the JFK assassination is the fact that parts of it still can't be declassified. In 1992, Congress passed a law saying everything was to be declassified in 25 years. October 2017 came and went, and the FBI blocked around 7,500 documents from release. The DEA didn't want CI names related to organized crime in them. The State Department blocked some due to "national security and foreign…

What’s the anti-conspiratorial explanation for that? I can imagine a million different things they’d love to hide, but what would the legitimate, honest/harmless reason?

Perhaps some of the programs are still running, new generation, same playbook

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

Picking up the bullet destroys the evidence of the exact location it ended up in.

Would he be expected to know we would spend decades doing ballistic studies on that bullet trajectory in the heat of the moment?
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