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The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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>Blame your government. There could and should be laws against that or at the very least incentives to prevent it. In a democracy the government is a proxy for the people. I blame the people. If the majority was conscious of their rights (or at least what these rights should be) the governments would have no choice and they'd bring laws that protect these rights. Yes, no democracy is perfect, there are lobbyists, cor…

“I blame the people.” Psychology is a science that studies human behavior, and like all sciences it works mostly. As a result, human minds can be easily hacked by those with the motivation to do so. Psychological science can be employed, things like A/B testing are very effective with enough data, which our digital systems easily provide. Ads are the wholesome version of that, because they are overt. We know the ads…

My takeaway from social psych was that it was far easier and cheaper to convince 2 ignorant people than it was to change 1 educated person's mind.

Which boils majority democracy down to the median level of education.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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The other day I read an HN comment that thought that when you buy consumer PC hardware, it comes with a ToS that limits your property rights as the owner. It's the kind of uncanny experience I run into more and more often lately: talking with people so immersed in our new normal of cyberpunk dystopia, they seem not to remember how things were in the before-times. So accustomed to exploitative corporate gaslighting, w…

Looking at this list, open source software is the only thing that can help save us from this future. Whenever a corporation takes control of a widespread open source software (eg Oracle buying MySQL) it is forked by the community (MariaDB). If you don’t have access to the source code, you can’t fork it. And ALL the Web 2.0 platforms of today (on which we have our public forums) won’t give you their back-end software.…

That's a long diatribe for what can be reduced down to "another techbro excuse why climate-destroying pre-mined (for shareholders!) shitcoin is better".

The only thing shitcoin made "better" was how to pay the ransomware industry.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #211

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You may have missed this part further down in the economics section: Stallman’s Free Software Movement is more like a gift economy, or perhaps “distributism” (a 19th-century Christian economic system). Those are actually really good, but to pay for resource use in the ecosystem we need an accounting system, and that’s utility tokens. I believe that decentralized movements need to be named properly. If Stallman named…

> When starting a decentralized movement, the naming is crucial as it affects positioning long after it has become bigger than those who began it. Like your Qbix? https://qbix.com

Agreed, the movement itself may need a different name. Any suggestions?

I started Intercoin and Intercloud later. Our apps are named Groups and Calendars.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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And it will keep getting worse as long as the majority of the population lack proper core values to oppose it.

True, but at the same time, if your grandma's identity was stolen you'd be more likely to be willing to discard some freedom for the sake of security. There's a general willingness to trade incremental freedom for security in many arenas but ascending that gradient is a hard sell

False dichotomy. Security does not have to come at the price of freedom.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Good as this is, it's missing the parts which lie outside browsers and it doesn't have much regarding mobile devices.

In a matter of decades or shorter, I expect the following to happen as well:

* Governments will give themselves new, expanded legal rights for mass-surveillance on their citizens through their electronic devices.

* AIs will be plugged to surveillance data-streams to search for "criminal behavior," whatever that be for each country.

* As part of the above, a signal-processing mechanism similar to the Chinese social score, but way more sophisticated and comprehensive, will be implemented, by almost every nation with the resources to do so. One nation, China, already started. In the decades to come, other major nations will lean on threat of XYZ to follow suit. (In case you need some examples of XYZ: ordinary terrorism, bioterrorism, avoidance of laws limiting AI, child pornography, access by children to pornography, minor solicitation, parent abuse, sexual harassment of nature X, lax morals regarding Y, information warfare by foreign powers).

Even if those things seem unimaginable to us now, it is a slow slope to roll down through a year at a time. Public perception will gradually change enough to tolerate the privacy invasions. And who knows, for certain category of threats, it may be that the general public of the time enthusiastically supports the surveillance. (For example, I would love to see a study where people with children are asked if they believe that the government should have access to the telephones of people who are statistically likely to engage in CP, like men who are single and under a certain age, in order to prevent CP).

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Unless it refuses to turn on without the internet connection.

What TV doesn't start without an internet connection?

TV has no purpose connecting to internet in the first place. But that's the reality now. It's more or less guaranteed that this slippery slope will lead to TVs that won't start without an internet connection - and only such TVs soon afterwards.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #117

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Looking at this list, open source software is the only thing that can help save us from this future. Whenever a corporation takes control of a widespread open source software (eg Oracle buying MySQL) it is forked by the community (MariaDB). If you don’t have access to the source code, you can’t fork it. And ALL the Web 2.0 platforms of today (on which we have our public forums) won’t give you their back-end software.…

That's a long diatribe for what can be reduced down to "another techbro excuse why climate-destroying pre-mined (for shareholders!) shitcoin is better". The only thing shitcoin made "better" was how to pay the ransomware industry.

Pretty sure you’re reading your own biases into this

Where did anyone mention climate-destroying proof-of-work? Last I checked, only Bitcoin uses that amount of energy — every other decentralized system does not.

Shitcoin is a term bitcoiners use for every other coin so your own diatribe is incoherent.

Most people on HN are techbros

Blockchains are not the most efficient distributed systems architecture. But if you think you can do better, please do it!

For instance, I am. I think we can do better than BlockChain. That’s why I designed InterCloud, and putting together a team to build it.

I care about open and free technologies. Dat/Hypercore. IPFS. Maidsafe/Safenet. Matrix. Nostr. Literally none of them fit anything you’re bitching about.

In every case, people like you prefer bitching while the frog is being boiled, and actively spreading FUD about any open, free, permissionless alternatives. You’d do better by doing nothing, getting out of the way and let innovation happen. You seem to have no solution.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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We need a new philosophical movement for computer technology. The Stallman movement failed because it was not practical for business applications. At the end of the day, coders & hardware manufacturers need to eat just like accountants, plumbers and doctors. Technology can't rely 100% on altruism. What we need is something close to the Ethical standards of the Stallman movement, but also compatable with business owne…

I feel like we already have a battle-tested answer to that question - which is dual licensing. It worked great on software like Qt - just have an open source GPL(ish) licensed version for free as in speech users, and a proprietary do-whatever-you-want for cash money, so that developers can keep the lights on.

What needs to change is the open-source community's perception of this coexistence as something mutually beneficial as opposed to betraying their own principles.

This hostility manifests in two ways - one is the belief that not fully open software is somehow evil, and shouldn't be supported, and one should always use (often janky) alternatives that are fully open. The second is the constant churn without any thought given to API or ABI compatibility (never mind making the same binary run across versions, even source-level breakage is extremely common), leading to people wishing to ship commercial applications having to package half of the userland with them.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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post #208

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I mean, any smart TV is a dumb tv once you don’t connect it to the internet?

Still takes too long to boot to display.

TVs long ago used to take up to 10 seconds to startup because the electron gun at the back of the CRT needed time to heat up. The advent of TFT panels gave us the hope that that wait would be a thing of the past. Now instead we wait minutes for its spyware, adware and bloatware ridden OS to boot up and phone home. We're living is a world that's the opposite of what technology promised us.
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