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Or just "Hello, $reason_for_this_message"
That's less friendly.
Replace "Hello, $reason_for_this_message" with "Hello, $acceptable_level_of_polite_preamble; $reason_for_this_message", then.
Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
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Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same." This is the way to go. "The family/given name format doesn't make much sense here." It doesn't make much sense in many places all over the world. In Germany technically speaking our given names are a set and we can have many of them. While it is practically necessary to write them out in a certain order in our documents, from a legal s…
> "Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same." > This is the way to go. Agreed. Does anyone know of any reason to care about first/last, apart from it being part of My First SQL Database and sating our inner desire to create pointless taxonomies?
Interfacing with external systems which require first/last, I suppose.
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#293Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same. The family/given name format doesn't make much sense here. Indian name: Sathiavelllu Arunachalam, known as SA or Seth SE Asian ethnic Chinese names: Harry Lee Kuan Yew, (English name) (Surname) (Given name). Hated the name Harry and got it removed, though many Chinese are referred to by an English name. Indonesian name: Fatimah Azzahra (…
Oh, and make sure you can handle long names. Example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Blaine_Wolfeschlegelste....
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
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Do you not use POs? Much easier, allows you to approve spend if necessary and means the person paying I voices doesn't need to have an encyclopedic knowledge of your employees and keep up to date with which ones have ledt
POs seem to be very rare in Europe, people who even know what's a PO are rare.
That's far from my experience. Where in Europe and for what kind of payments?
I only use POs with my customers. I'm based in Sweden, doing work mostly in Germany, Switzerland, and England, as software sales and contract work. No one has even blinked.
In Swedish it's called a inköpsorder, but often abbreviated PO.
As an example, https://www.betydelse-definition.com/ink%C3%B6psorder has "Inköpsordern (ofta säker man PO som är kort för Purchase Order) är det viktigaste dokumentet i en inköpsverksamhet och är ett avtal mellan två parter. POn definierar vad som köps in och under vilka villkor och förutsättningar."
In English: "The purchase order (often said PO, which is short for Purchase Order) is the most important document in a purchasing operation and is an agreement between two parties. The PO defines what is bought in and under what conditions and requirements."
Looking around, here's a description of purchase order use in the UK: https://gocardless.com/guides/posts/guide-to-purchase-orders...
> Purchase orders are a helpful part of the procurement process, allowing business owners to keep track of incoming orders and to monitor stock levels. It’s a way to see exactly what money is being spent where and at what moment. In some cases, purchase orders are a basic requirement for doing business. Many government agencies and authorities insist upon PO forms being issued before they’ll agree to settle an invoice.
It wasn't hard to find similar examples for other European countries.
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#295If you have an iOS app I suggest looking into https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundation/personn...
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same." This is the way to go. "The family/given name format doesn't make much sense here." It doesn't make much sense in many places all over the world. In Germany technically speaking our given names are a set and we can have many of them. While it is practically necessary to write them out in a certain order in our documents, from a legal s…
> "Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same." > This is the way to go. Agreed. Does anyone know of any reason to care about first/last, apart from it being part of My First SQL Database and sating our inner desire to create pointless taxonomies?
Largely cultural, I think, and being able to use each as might be appropriate within the culture. For example, using "Hi, " when sounding casual, but using "Dear Ms " when trying to sound formal. Nothing that's likely to be mission-critical, but a natural inclination based on cultural upbringing that we may not even realize is affecting our product design.
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#297Just have a single "name field" and maybe preferred name, which is not the same. The family/given name format doesn't make much sense here. Indian name: Sathiavelllu Arunachalam, known as SA or Seth SE Asian ethnic Chinese names: Harry Lee Kuan Yew, (English name) (Surname) (Given name). Hated the name Harry and got it removed, though many Chinese are referred to by an English name. Indonesian name: Fatimah Azzahra (…
That's what we do, in our app. People can write whatever they want, there, in whatever order they want. We only allow 255 characters, though, because we use classic VARCHAR, and index the field. Some Spanish (as in Catalan) names can be downright legendary. I support non-Roman character sets.
> Some Spanish (as in Catalan) names can be downright legendary.
Not only.
Argentinian national hero Manuel Belgrano had as full name Manuel José Joaquín del Corazón de Jesús Belgrano González.
Chilean painter Pablo Picasso's full name is Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso.
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#298Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
#299Even in England, you would have to consider King Charles III's name. His given names are Charles Philip Arthur George. No family name. Of course, now his name is even a bit longer: "Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith". So, if you think he might sign up for your app, make sure your name field is long enough, and that the "Preferred Name" field can accommodate a space: "Charles III" or "Charles Rex"
Re: Ask HN: How to handle Asian-style “Family name first” when designing interfaces?
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Slack does this and I don't like it. I have Hungarian colleagues and some (but not all!) of them have entered the family name first. I always feel awkward responding to them, because I don't know if I'm typing `Hello $FIRSTNAME` or `Hello $LASTNAME`.
You can do `Hello @TheirSlackHandle`.
I find that annoying when colleagues do that because it double notifies me, once for the message and once for the @