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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by rsynnott »

jklinger410 wrote: post #256
rsynnott wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the post you’re replying to mentions, this is indeed a thing that US manufacturers did back in the day. It didn’t work out for them, in the long run.

> a thing that US manufacturers did back in the day Is this...a joke? We are currently going through inflation caused directly by margin chasing and stock buybacks. If you look into any industry you will see a long race to the bottom to get the most money for the least product imaginable. It's the #1 function of a capitalist system, to extract the most value for the least work. Margin chasing is all we do. It should…

Obviously US automakers want all the margins they can get, but in the past they pursued margins _to the extent of making very low-quality cars_ (then had their lunch eaten by foreign competition; it did not work out well for them at all). They largely don't do that anymore; their quality is more comparable to foreign competition than it used to be.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

gruez wrote: post #227
HPMOR wrote: post #120

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Having recently dealt with this very situation. Lawyers are honestly not __that__ expensive for these disputes and NDA’s are largely unenforceable.

>NDA’s are largely unenforceable source?

Yeah not so sure about that. States will have different laws, and NDAs are not Non-Competes -- different story altogether.

Most states can't / won't enforce Non-Competes, but NDAs often have teeth.

Most states also have warranty and lemon laws, often specifically aimed at cars, so you could fight the NDA or ignore it and push for a warranty violation or lemon law case.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

maffydub wrote: post #281
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #257

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in the example given, the lawyers finding ways to dismiss/challenge it would be a good thing, because the perpetrators in question are trying to patent something obvious, which society has decided we don't want them doing so, the problem spurring such a policy is that they don't want to be implicated on the record in doing bad things - they want to get away with what society doesn't want them to get away with that me…

In the actual example, I don't think the engineers were trying to patent something obvious - it's just not unusual for engineers to casually throw around the word "obvious" for things that are not, and it's unwise to have that written down. (I was the person who provided the ancedote.)

in the actual example, from the information given, I think the engineers were indeed trying to patent something obvious to them, or else they wouldn't have explicitly said it was obvious to them (speaking as an engineer)

I guess I need more convincing, 1st that there is indeed full context exonerating the "obvious" quote from meaning what the words mean, and 2nd that it wouldn't work to just provide that context to resolve the matter (e.g. if it truly is exonerating context, why wouldn't providing the context exonerate?)

when I asked for that detail, I just got a snide, uninformed remark about the answer being obvious, from someone who clearly could not come up with an answer

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Post by Mawr »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #278
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #267

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It's a hell of a lot easier to not have to defend a statement made out of context than it is to do so. It's the same reason you should never, ever, under any circumstances answer any questions about anything at all coming from the police without your lawyer. Even if you are completely innocent, your words can be presented in such a manner as to call into question your honesty, at which point your rebuttal will be shr…

> If the cops accuse me of shooting someone in SF, but I was in Berkeley at the time, I might be tempted to tell them that. But then, when they produce a faulty eye-witness, who says they saw me in SF that evening, suddenly I need to discredit that witness in order to resolve my alibi. you have an equal need to disprove the claims of a witness regardless of whether you have an alibi additionally, regardless of whethe…

You don't, because the witness testimony is irrelevant on its own. Without knowing the alibi, there's no reason to think the OP being in SF is an issue at all.

See https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?t=1255

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Post by rasz »

maffydub wrote: post #72
kramerger wrote: post #17

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"Do this only orally" is always to hide evidence from a future court discovery. I don't think Tesla would do this unless management consider it very serious.

In previous employment (as a software engineer), I've been told to do this too - mainly around inventions we were trying to patent. The reason is slightly less nefarious than you might think - for example, someone might casually say that some aspect of their patent is "obvious" but they're saying that as an expert in their field who may have spent months or years thinking about the problem and alternative solutions.…

I think it might have been more about how patent law works. There is a precise window defined for revealing invention to filing for it, same for selling something before patenting it (1 year).

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Post by manuelabeledo »

misiti3780 wrote: post #289
manuelabeledo wrote: post #287

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> Shake Shack serves delicious food. See, you lost me there already. Point is, even if you like it, it is still crappy food. It is just another example of how a product that is objectively bad for its customers, can succeed in the market. Tesla quality control is quantitatively worse than of more traditional brands like Honda. Finishes in Tesla cars are also quite a bit worse than other cars in the same category. I’m…

comparing tesla to shake shack (even via growth) is not a good comparison because taste is 100% subjective, build quality is not subjective. im not saying that tesla doesnt have some issues with quality control, but most people get nice cars that work fine and look fine. you only hear about the outliers .

> but most people get nice cars that work fine and look fine. you only hear about the outliers

I'm pretty confident that Consumer Reports and J.D. Power account for more than just outliers.

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Post by rasz »

zyberzero wrote: post #99
checkyoursudo wrote: post #55

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Be careful of your jurisdiction. In some places, the act itself of secret recording can be a criminal offence. In that case, you will want to include the possibility of prison in your cost-benefit analysis. E.g., Germany: StGB 201 § 201 Verletzung der Vertraulichkeit des Wortes https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__201.html In some places, secret recordings are useless as evidence (e.g., two-party consent states…

It's legal in Sweden to record secretly as long as you are one of the parties in the recording.

It was like that in Poland .. until some politicians got recorded and recordings leaked to the press, you can guess how that changed the law.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Roark66 wrote: post #195
drewg123 wrote: post #64

Sounds like not much has changed since 2015. A good friend ordered a new Model S in 2015. It arrived with a "squeak" that turned out to be due to missing welds in structural components of the chassis. They wanted him to sign an NDA to get a replacement vehicle (which he refused to do, both on principle, and because he'd talked to friends about it already). So he was forced to keep his vehicle, which was then repaired…

Aren't there some laws that require a car manufacturer to buy back a faulty car like this?

lemon laws will vary by state and level of impact. but, basically, yeah.

most have warranty laws, too.

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

mft_ wrote: post #208

Ah, more confirmation (bias) making me doubt the wisdom of ever buying a Tesla in the future. I had a Model 3 LR as a company car and really liked it - even being fine with most of the usual concerns or dislikes people share. I even like the brand (although I dislike most of Musk's other shenanigans over the past few years). I've since given the car back and am considering purchasing a BEV in the future. I've obvious…

After I realized the Base M3 was just the M3LR with a software locked battery, that settled it. So if you buy a base M3 you're just hauling around 20-30% of that battery weight for literally no reason.

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Post by berniedurfee »

zyberzero wrote: post #99
checkyoursudo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful of your jurisdiction. In some places, the act itself of secret recording can be a criminal offence. In that case, you will want to include the possibility of prison in your cost-benefit analysis. E.g., Germany: StGB 201 § 201 Verletzung der Vertraulichkeit des Wortes https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__201.html In some places, secret recordings are useless as evidence (e.g., two-party consent states…

It's legal in Sweden to record secretly as long as you are one of the parties in the recording.

I think NY is the same IIRC.
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