Are there shared lists you can subscribe to (and extend) instead of having to waste a lot of time implementing your own from scratch?
Isn't this page a shared list? As Kagi user I can click a button next to every domain here to apply given setting
Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#292Either they've filtered out porn sites or they have a long way to go in terms of adoption.
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> I wonder how they will keep their results shielded from SEO spam if they hit a critical mass. We mitigate SEO spam effectively by downranking websites that use ads or trackers. SEO spam websites predominantly rely on ads for monetization, which makes them easily detectable. This strategy of combating ads in every form, everywhere, has proven to be an efficient method for prioritizing high-quality web results.
Which really, I feel, demonstrates the perverse incentives of free search. These pages display ads, so upranking them means more revenue for google, and you do the opposite. Cool. I was wondering if there's any student discounts? For research I certainly search like a professional, but don't have the income stream to compensate.
> Which really, I feel, demonstrates the perverse incentives of free search. These pages display ads, so upranking them means more revenue for google, and you do the opposite.
Google's creators had correctly identified this problem and their knowledge of it is why early google was good.
https://alexandre.storelli.fr/advertising-and-mixed-motives-...
> Advertising and Mixed Motives (Sergey Brin & Larry Page, 1998)
> Currently, the predominant business model for commercial search engines is advertising. The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. For example, in our prototype search engine one of the top results for cellular phone is "The Effect of Cellular Phone Use Upon Driver Attention", a study which explains in great detail the distractions and risk associated with conversing on a cell phone while driving. This search result came up first because of its high importance as judged by the PageRank algorithm, an approximation of citation importance on the web. It is clear that a search engine which was taking money for showing cellular phone ads would have difficulty justifying the page that our system returned to its paying advertisers. For this type of reason and historical experience with other media, we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.
> But we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives that it is crucial to have a competitive search engine that is transparent and in the academic realm.
Once they earned their place as a monopoly the same understanding was applied to wield it on the darker side.
> “We expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers.”
They know exactly what it is that they are doing.
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, they had it for a few years a decade ago. If you think through the feature, it's not at all obvious that it's a good idea for an established search engine targeting the general public [0]. But even then it might be a great idea for a search engine that's trying to establish an initial niche. It doesn't even matter whether the idea actually works well in practice: if 100k people think that manual curation of sear…
I think you miss he point. The usefulness of a per-user block list is not fighting outright spam. The statistical filters, etc, as applied by the search engine, work best here, as you correctly state. The point is to remove certain well-known sites with information about well-known topics, which is unhelpful for the particular user , me. That information is technically not spam, but it's on a wrong level, badly prese…
> The point is to remove certain well-known sites
Like pinterest.
Goddamn pinterest.
Just the amount of times i've used "-pinterest" in search is staggering.
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#295Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…
Not all HN users are US tech employees though. How much US$25 is differs a lot.
2 Starbucks lattes i think?
Elsewhere the lattes are much cheaper though.
Common problem with a lot of SaaS offerings.
I made a Kagi account when they had a free tier, thinking I'll test and then decide on paying or not. Then they dropped the free tier and with the # of trial searches limited, I'd need to make a conscious effort to use it to test instead of just trying it when DDG fails me, which was the initial plan. Somehow that's not very enticing.
And I'm in the demographic that would indeed block pinterest and w3schools. It's just that my lattes aren't $12 each...
Edit: Btw @freediver, you should turn this top blocked list into a public indepth report every 3 months or so. Just like Backblaze does that hard drive reliability thing. It would be great for your marketing.
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
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Hi. Thanks for the great service! Any chance you would consider adding cryptocurrency payments as an option? You would load up the account with these prepaid credits, and then use whatever plan you want until the credits run out. This is how I pay for Mullvad and works well for me. I think would be nice as I see kagi is aiming to be privacy-forward. And it’s nice knowing that such a payment is a one-off and won’t for…
We have a discussion on our forum [1] about this. Input welcome! [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala...
Please don’t waste time on this! You’re all doing such good work and I’d much rather not see it wasted on indulging some techno-anarchist nerds
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, more likely, they didn't want to take on the additional burden of transacting in funny money of dubious worth.
Hope you enjoy linking all your search queries to your credit card, really. This attitude is unbelievable to me.
And pray tell, how does one acquire this Monero that you're defending with religious fervor? By linking your credit card to some "currency" exchange that may or may not already be under investigation for fraud?
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#298The single biggest deficiency of Kagi is Apple’s exclusive control over the list of selectable default search providers in iOS Safari. It is infuriating and is the one thing that has caused me to seriously try other browsers on mobile. The problem is, they are all terrible in some small paper cutting ways (including Orion, though that has been rapidly improving).
> The single biggest deficiency of Kagi is Apple’s exclusive control over the list of selectable default search providers in iOS Safari. Seems like a deficiency of Apple products to me. I know it's beating a dead horse, but this is what happens when people willingly buy into a closed system they have no control over.
Funny thing is, people are buying Apple products because the alternative is Google, and why are you paying for Kagi, because you trust Google?
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#299Either they've filtered out porn sites or they have a long way to go in terms of adoption.
I think porn sites are already filtered by Google. Kagi doesn't have it's own search, it is just layer over Google search.
Not just Google, they use Bing and Yandex(?, might be something else) too, I think.
Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users
#300Anecdotally when searching for Python standard lib docs on Google, python.org is never at the top. I think this is because they have a single page titled "Built-in types" instead of dedicated pages titled e.g. "str.split".
Above python.org I get links to w3schools.com, programiz.com, python-reference.readthedocs.io (some inofficial project abandoned 2015), geeksforgeeks.org, codegree.de and freecodecamp.org.